Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 21:19:56 01/14/00
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On January 14, 2000 at 18:04:53, Amir Ban wrote: >On January 14, 2000 at 12:11:54, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 14, 2000 at 09:32:35, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >> >>>On January 14, 2000 at 09:04:51, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On January 14, 2000 at 06:43:27, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 14, 2000 at 06:39:02, Alvaro Polo wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 14, 2000 at 06:36:05, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On January 14, 2000 at 06:21:04, Alvaro Polo wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It is my opinion that Kasparov should play Deep Blue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This is off track. Kasparov always wanted the rematch, but IBM dismantled Deep >>>>>>>Blue. Hsu's new machine is not Deep Blue. >>>>>> >>>>>>Ok, Enrique. Deep Blue does not longer exists. But what counts is perception >>>>>>more than reality, many times. >>>>> >>>>>But this is precisely the point. Hsu's new machine is not perceived as IBM's >>>>>Deep Blue by anyone except the few people in computer chess. >>>>> >>>>>Enrique >>>> >>>>I'm not sure I agree... and offer "Seymour Cray" as an example. He left CDC >>>>to design a new and faster machine. He had no problems getting financial >>>>backing as everyone _knew_ he designed the CDC 6600/Cyber 176. He left Cray >>>>Research to build the Cray-2/Cray-3. Again, he had no trouble getting financial >>>>backers. Everyone knew it was the "man" and not the "company" that came up with >>>>the design ideas. >>>> >>>>I think Hsu is exactly the same... >>> >>>From a programmer's point of view it may be the same, but the Kasparov-DB >>>rematch has the whole world as an audience, and in this whole world everyone >>>knows IBM Deep Blue as the machine that beat Kasparov, no one aside from >>>computer chess people and academic circles know Hsu's project. How to justify to >>>them that a new XXX "mystery box" plays the world champion? Put it this way: in >>>this context, Kasparov has nothing to win, everything to lose and then no reason >>>to play. >>> >>>Enrique >>> >> >>"Kasparov knows" and that is all that counts. He demanded a rematch many >>times. Then when he gets the opportunity to finally (perhaps) get his just >>revenge, he walks away. >> >>That is his choice to do, of course. But _he_ knows that Hsu was "Deep Blue". > >I think Kasparov would know who Hsu is, but only if you refresh his memory. I'm >pretty sure Kasparov doesn't think of Hsu as the man who beat him, or that he >was "Deep Blue". On the other hand I noticed he's not likely to forget C.J.Tan >or Benjamin. It's pretty clear from his statements that he considered himself >beaten by the full weight of IBM Corporation, and that is Deep Blue for him. > >Amir You could certainly be right. However, I can't imagine him not knowing the man that designed the machine that turned his world upside down. IE he certainly knew Ken Thompson since he stayed with Ken on a couple of visits to the NY area. Ken knew Hsu personally since he talked with Hsu many times as he re-designed the belle processor to fit a single chip. I can't imagine "Hsu" not coming up at every corner of conversations about Deep Blue... But I suppose anything _is_ possible...
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