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Subject: Re: Conspiracy -- conshmiracy

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 15:00:09 01/19/00

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On January 19, 2000 at 11:18:11, Amir Ban wrote:

>On January 19, 2000 at 10:05:22, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On January 19, 2000 at 07:52:10, Amir Ban wrote:
>>
>>>On January 18, 2000 at 23:38:34, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 18, 2000 at 22:34:08, george petty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 18, 2000 at 21:51:54, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Let's suppose the worst.  IBM decided to cheat.  Now, folks like Anand and
>>>>>>Karpov are not going to risk a lifetime ban by doing something illegal.  So it
>>>>>>would pretty much have to be a lower-eschelon player.  [Well, they could have
>>>>>>crammed RJF into that box, but he would have been deathly afraid of a sinister
>>>>>>plot, I'm afraid -- so I think we can rule that out also].
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So what are we left with?  How do you cheat against the world's best player (by
>>>>>>a landslide?)???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You have some lower level GM who can be tempted and yet will *never* spill the
>>>>>>beans (hmm -- it seems it would take millions to do that, but what if he put the
>>>>>>money in a Swiss bank account and decided to write a book...  Sounds a bit risky
>>>>>>doesn't it)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In short the cheater theories are idiotic.  It does not work.  Even if you could
>>>>>>somehow pull it off, you would be sneaking in some high school track star to run
>>>>>>against Michael Johnson.  And then taking the ENORMOUS risk that for the rest of
>>>>>>his life, he would keep his mouth shut.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's ludicrous.  Insanely, bizarre.  I can't imagine how such a foolish
>>>>>>expression can even escape the lips of any intelligent, thinking person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But forget all that, and suppose that you somehow manage to have a very clever
>>>>>>human (maybe we get a 2600GM who hates GK's intestines) to participate.  The
>>>>>>human says "Rxb2" and the computer says "a4."  Whom do you believe?  The GM
>>>>>>can't outplay Kasparov -- we already know that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I will admit that having a super-GM in cahoots with Deep Blue *would* make a
>>>>>>stronger pair -- if you had a few months to form a workable system and a few
>>>>>>hundred games.  But the risk is so enormous that only a great fool would believe
>>>>>>an image conscious company like IBM would try a foolhardy thing like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In short, I lose respect for any person who says they believe in that hokey
>>>>>>"conspiracy" theory.
>>>>>
>>>>> How you can come up with all that from my statements is FANTASTIC.  Boy I
>>>>> have seen people take things out of context, but I have to say this tops them
>>>>> all.  I have never seen so much jealousy, and no sense of fair play.  No
>>>>> wonder the rest of the world laughs at Americans.  Don't wait for the FACTS,
>>>>> just prejudge.  No body was talking about "conspiracy".  But you have all the
>>>>> answers.  NONSENSE!!  I did not say I did.  I say lets wait and see what the
>>>>> FACTS are. Hopefully we are not trying to write fiction on this post, but
>>>>> what is based on FACTS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Here are the facts:
>>>>
>>>>Kasparov lost to Deep Blue.
>>>>
>>>>Deep Blue is a computer.
>>>>
>>>>The DB team has been working on this since 1986.
>>>>
>>>>The DB machine won the Fredkin stage II prize for the first computer to produce
>>>>a GM performance rating over 25 consecutive games.
>>>>
>>>>The log of the position questioned by Kasparov in game 2 was available within
>>>>a couple of days to some of us.  It made perfect sense to all but a few that
>>>>wanted to cast a dark shadow on things for reasons unknown.
>>>>
>>>>We found _no_ moves that couldn't be reproduced by a computer given enough time
>>>>to compensate for DB's huge hardware advantage.
>>>>
>>>
>>>That's untrue, of course.
>>>
>>>Amir
>>
>>
>>What is untrue?
>>
>>of course?
>>
>
>"We found _no_ moves ..." etc.
>
>Of course, because you should know better. You were in all the discussions here
>and elsewhere that failed to show what you say.
>
>Amir


I don't remember any problems.  I found Be4 after a 21 ply search that took
almost 2 days.  Your program found h5 that Kasparov said no program would play.
I didn't (myself) spend a lot of time on axb5 but didn't see anything remarkable
about that....

So what strange move can't we explain or produce?



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