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Subject: Re: Conspiracy -- conshmiracy

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:38:40 01/21/00

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On January 21, 2000 at 15:47:02, Amir Ban wrote:

>On January 20, 2000 at 20:28:54, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>On January 20, 2000 at 09:15:20, Amir Ban wrote:
>>
>>>There were indeed some PV's in moves 36 & 37 that looked like typos. The Rxf6
>>>line could be explained in this way. There was another which looked weird in a
>>>different way and I think needed a different theory.
>>
>>Are you really arguing that the logs were manufactured?  That sounds really
>>extreme.
>>
>>bruce
>
>I don't think the logs were manufatured, and didn't say they were. I think the
>transposition table theory may explain the Rxf6 line, but there are other PV
>lines that are illogical in a different way, like the line at at T=82 for move
>36 2nd game, where it needs to be explained how the move Qa6a7 can be best for
>white.
>
>Amir


That looks like the kind of thing I would expect with hashing...  Don't forget
that DB used a non-shared memory machine (the SP).  I am not quite sure how
you would reconstruct the PV with a hash table distributed over several cpus.
What would you do if you probe two different cpus (trying to reconstruct the
PV) and get a hit from both, with a different suggested move?

When I experimented a lot with mtd(f) a couple of years ago, this was the most
annoying thing I found...  because you _never_ get a PV since every search fails
high or fails low.

Sucks..  but sometimes you put up with it...

I think Vincent is doing this, as I have seen some ultra-oddball moves in his
PVs from time to time, moves that were obviously not in line with the score he
returned...



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