Author: KarinsDad
Date: 10:07:33 02/04/00
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On February 04, 2000 at 11:16:18, Ed Schröder wrote: >On February 04, 2000 at 09:58:54, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: > >>On February 03, 2000 at 18:43:00, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On February 03, 2000 at 17:19:22, John Warfield wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I have heard several people claim that karpov would be the best against >>>>computers. I think this is untrue, as karpov barely beat deep thought in 1986, >>>>actually the positional was drawn and deepthought blundered. Another game is the >>>>draw karpov got against a mere micro program schredder. In 1996 Karpov conducted >>>>a simul exhibition at the aegon tournament where fritz4 managed to draw him. >>>>Actually kasparov has a much better record. >>> >>>You are absolutely right about Karpov who can't play computers. A few >>>years ago a kind of Rebel Decade 2.0 version played two 30/all games >>>against Karpov on a poor Pentium-200. Two draws. And in the last game >>>Karpov was rescued by the organizers offering him a draw in a bad >>>position while having very little time on his clock too. The 2 games >>>are somewhere on my pages for those who are interested. >>> >>>Ed >> >> >>Hello, >> >>I believe that you people are very wrong about Karpov's ability to play chess >>--and chess is what we are trying to discuss, be it a match against a computer >>program or a human. Karpov is obviously not computer chess savvy, but give that >>guy a couple of months and he'd be destroying one chess progam after another at >>tournament levels. I still marvel at people not realising how much chess >>knowledge a real World Champion at Chess such as Karpov (not Khalifman:)) has at >>his fingertips and how much bellow him (unfortunately) computer programs still >>are at tournament levels. This said, I do believe that a good program (such as >>Rebel, or Shredder or Fritz or Tiger, etc.) is quite capable of defeating a >>run-of-the-mill GM at blitz or rapid chess in a match, and even putting up one >>hell of resistence at tournament levels. However, super-super GMs like Karpov, >>Kasparov, Anand, Kramnik or Morozevich are still a cut above the best of >>software, say a good 100 ELO pts, or more, above. >> >> >>*** Djordje > >Say Rebel has to play a 6-game match on 40/2h and I have the freedom to >choose the opponent: > >Hoffmann >Seirawan >Karpov >Timman > >my order would be: > >Timman >Karpov >Hoffmann >Seirawan > >IMO Rebel would have (a lot) better chances against Karpov than against >Seirawan. > >Source of information: having played against them. > >ELO is not the connection here, the ability to play computers is. Some >know how to, some don't. Yet.... > >Ed I think it is a flexibility issue. I think some of the older GMs such as Tinman and Karpov have a more difficult time adjusting their style. Even if they do it for a half game, they come up with a plan which matches their original style and that fails 10 ply down tactically, so they get the draw instead of the win or the loss instead of the draw. Younger players not only have more familiarity with computers, but it may be easier for them to stay out of their own normal game plan. However, I agree with Djordje that if Karpov had some motivating factor (i.e. real big money) to learn how to do this, he probably could do it. There are probably only a dozen people on the planet that could probably play against a computer better IF Karpov was motivated to learn. KarinsDad :)
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