Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 09:09:38 02/17/00
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On February 17, 2000 at 11:53:19, Andrew Dados wrote:
>On February 17, 2000 at 11:42:47, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On February 17, 2000 at 11:33:33, Andrew Dados wrote:
>>
>>>On February 17, 2000 at 11:24:51, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 17, 2000 at 11:21:15, Andrew Dados wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In case of OTB tourney a player himself is responsible for showing up on time.
>>>>>Now, for internet-based tourneys, that may mean he can be forfeited if his ISP
>>>>>is down. However, since tourney organizers put effort into installing arbiter
>>>>>with each player during the game ('serious event'), that arbiter can see that
>>>>>player has shown on time and is ready for the game. In that case organizer
>>>>>should be held responsible for any alternate connection in case ISP is down
>>>>>(simply phone connetion would do here) or for rescheduling. Forfeit *should not*
>>>>>be granted if player is phisically on time and in the place where he's supposed
>>>>>to be and it's verifiable.
>>>>>
>>>>>-Andrew-
>>>>
>>>>At the world champs who was responsible in my case?
>>>>
>>>>The problem the first game was at an ISP somewhere in germany, NOT in paderborn,
>>>>and it was NOT my ISP.
>>>>
>>>>The problem the first game was elsewhere in paderborn, some dude had turned
>>>>OFF the computer in the weekend, and that computer was always inside my route
>>>>to the crafty machine.
>>>>
>>>>In both cases the organization nor me could be blamed.
>>>>
>>>>Yet i had to play a game... ...what do i do?
>>>>
>>>>It's a technical sport, just like motor and car racing. If your machine
>>>>is broke for whatever reason, then it's your fault simply. You can complain
>>>>loud on fora like these, but it doesn't change that you have a problem
>>>>during that game to find another machine.
>>>
>>>No... During WCCC you used a remote comp, so it was your sole responsibility for
>>>connection. You had an option provided by organizers to use their equipment (not
>>>a thrill, I know...). Here organizers took effort to place an arbiter 'on site',
>>>so organizers have to take every effort to make sure there is an alternate
>>>connection, since *both players were present and ready* for play at places they
>>>were supposed to be (you were 'not ready' to play on WCCC as I see it due to
>>>your choice).
>>
>>Well the issue remains the same. Remote computer or remote connection,
>>there is no difference!
>>
>>Suppose i play in a tournament and first a car hits me, then a second car
>>hits me. Still i try to get to the tournament hall, with an arm and a
>>leg less. Then a third car simply crushes me. I get to hospital.
>>
>>Accident happens outside the tournament hall, but as i have a mobile phone
>>i can call and say that i'm delayed a bit.
>>
>>What happens?
>>
>>Well i can tell you what happens, because as one of the biggest clubs in
>>Netherlands we are confronted each year with a few of these cases.
>>
>>You forfeit.
>>
>>Vincent
>
> Hey! You didn't make it to the place.. you're in hospital instead of tournament
>hall so no wonder you forfeit. They have both made it. Since game takes place in
>2 phisically separate 'tournament halls' here (2 arbiters), and players are able
>to make moves, and, I repeat, *they both in places where they were supposed to
>be according to tournament rules* then it's none of their fault.
>
> Now, imagine that organizers don't like you and use some trick to prevent you
>from connecting to their site... how can you prove/disprove such an option if
>you're not internet expert? That's why organizers should be held responsible for
>connection - to make such claims nonexistent in the future 'serious events'.
Signing a better contract than chessbase did and simply phoning DIRECTLY
to the states instead of using a silly provider.
If games are important enough, hey, phoning to USA is 19 cents a minute
(less than 9 dollar cent a minute
here. That's expensive, but a peanut compared to the junior entry fee,
which i estimate at 10000 dollar?
The 35 minutes time needed by Amir to connect again i don't understand.
Just picking up the phone is quick enough.
9 dollar cents a minute x 2 hours = 120 x 9 = under 10 dollars.
Peanut compared to an entry fee of 10k$ ?
>-Andrew-
>Andrew
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