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Subject: Re: A win for black? In this variation, maybe?

Author: KarinsDad

Date: 10:10:05 03/02/00

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On March 02, 2000 at 12:45:41, Martin wrote:

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>>
>>Don't be so sure. See my other post. Maybe. maybe not.
>
>:) Hmmm.
>
>>
>>KarinsDad :)
>>
>>PS. The problem with ALL of this is that we are going so many ply deep and
>>making certain assumptions along the way. One move different could flip the game
>>into the win or the draw category. But it definitely hasn't been proven yet for
>>all main variations.
>
>A mathematical proof would be too long and therefore too erraneous, I agree. And
>if you mean that even Gary can miss a defense/attack idea then you're certainly
>right too. But ( :)there's always a "but", huh?) looking at a position long
>enough, we finally get the gist of it (hopefully; and Kasparov gets it much
>earlier...).
>
>Okay, okay, there is a chance that at the end we are wrong anyway but hey, in
>this position I have the feeling that humans understand it by far better than
>any program. Boy, this feels *really* good... ;)
>
>Martin

What is interesting in this position is the c4 push. It gives white a passer and
opens up the a1-h8 diagonal no matter how black plays. This forces black to
either ignore the pawn or use his bishop to corral it. The question comes down
to the best time to play it and whether it actually makes a difference in the
outcome. So far, I have been able to use it successfully for the variations that
I have examined to gain a draw (assuming no mistakes which I will not assume).

I have not examined all of the variations posted, however, so I will not claim
that the position is not won for black.

But, even as humans, we see this position so much more clearer than a program
does, and we still can miss the key elements. It kind of humbles one to realize
the sheer complexities of the game.

KarinsDad :)



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