Author: stuart taylor
Date: 19:35:32 04/11/00
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On April 10, 2000 at 14:06:56, Christophe Theron wrote: >On April 10, 2000 at 10:48:58, Harald Faber wrote: > >>On April 09, 2000 at 21:56:22, robert blackwell wrote: >> >>>Well lads im not here for a fight. Its seems that it gets very ugly here when >>>someone states and opinion base on personally findings. I have played maybe 100 >>>games total between chess Tiger and Fritz. Tiger seems stronger.You all ask for >>>me to post, yet i bet you never even played over the games i posted. Game two is >>>a brilliant game, Tiger's ability to Activate its pieces is incredible. Also it >>>played themes of chess, not just try to open the position, and crash threw with >>>tactical shots. For instance the trapping of the knight on h4. What impressed me >>>is the fact tiger plays and understands the position, perhaps weak players cant >>>grasp this. Too bad! No one every questioned Enrique Irazoqui results. His games >>>showed tiger 100 elo pointa above the other programs!. Funny how we forget! >> >> >>I don't. I was the only or one of the few who did not follow the Tiger hype. I >>always wanted to SEE. Now I have seen. My opinion: >>Tiger is VERY strong, no doubt. As I wrote, in the same group with Shredder4, >>Junior6, probably Fritz6 and probably Hiarcs7.32 and Nimzo7.32, not to forget >>Rebel. >> >>But Tiger is NOT superior, neither a bit nor clearly. > > > >What you seem to forget is the fact that the Chess Tiger 12.0 engine has been >"frozen" on October 3rd, 1999, that is exactly the day it has been sent to the >SSDF. > >So Chess Tiger 12.0 is now six months old. Half a year. > >At the time it has been released, it was above the competition. Not by much, but >it was. Intensive testing by the SSDF confirmed this. > >People that have tested it AT THAT TIME, have found that it was probably the >strongest engine around, and they told us so. I wouldn't call this "hype". And I >didn't ask them to make advertisement for my engine. > >They have done what they are still doing: they have played games, found that one >program was apparently stronger, and they told us. > >What happened since that time? Two major chess programs have been released, and >updated and NOW they have been tested. > >Notice that Enrique told us that Fritz6a was above the competition as soon as he >had enough data. Is this hype for Fritz6a? Djordge did the same. > >It happens that the 2 newly released chess programs seem to be at the level, or >above, than Chess Tiger. > >What it tells us is that computer chess is in constant EVOLUTION. Since October >3rd 1999, things have changed. Chess Tiger has evolved too, but of course the >improvement has not been rated yet... > >I suspect Hiarcs has evolved too, and it will be interesting to see where the >new version stands. And so on... > >The fact that all the chess programmers are able to improve their programs over >and over again, so that no program can stay for very long "clearly above the >competition" still amazes me. > >Isn't it fascinating and interesting, from the user's point of view? > > > > Christophe Not very fascinating and interesting, atleast not for me, but annoying. I would like to see a quicker evolution/or one keeping ahead for a longer time. Are you planning to or able to release a new version around now, which will be ahead of the competition now? I have decided that I would buy the best there is by end of May 2000, and stick with it through thick and thin. I decided that a long time ago-and the time is soon up. Thanks, S.Taylor
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