Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 17:57:38 04/27/00
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On April 27, 2000 at 18:36:02, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>On April 27, 2000 at 16:32:49, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>On April 27, 2000 at 08:02:52, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On April 27, 2000 at 04:52:24, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 27, 2000 at 04:18:17, Peter McKenzie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 27, 2000 at 03:57:00, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 27, 2000 at 02:24:25, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On April 25, 2000 at 16:05:30, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 03:31:54, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On April 21, 2000 at 05:25:40, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On April 21, 2000 at 05:24:13, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On April 21, 2000 at 01:53:37, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On April 20, 2000 at 11:30:44, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On April 20, 2000 at 11:24:07, Ernst A. Heinz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Stefan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Will you compete with DT anyway?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Probably not -- we have not yet found time to tune "DarkThought"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for the x86 platform and I strongly doubt that we can come up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with a competitive PC version until August.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=Ernst=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's bad news.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stefan
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I won't be there either. It is expensive to travel to Europe every year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>bruce
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Are you kidding?
>>>>>>>>>>>London is a nice play to go!
>>>>>>>>>>>Stefan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Of course it is a nice PLACE to go :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Stefan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I am not going this year. My most significant regret is not getting to visit
>>>>>>>>>with people, including you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>But I'm tired of travelling huge distances and getting no travel support. The
>>>>>>>>>ICCA seems to have little interest in promoting computer chess outside of
>>>>>>>>>Europe, and I'm tired of being the only American competitor who attends each
>>>>>>>>>event in person.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>bruce
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Is the no travel support issue already clear?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Stefan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm sorry, I don't understand your question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>bruce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Did you already ask for travel support for this event?
>>>>>>I am afraid you won't get any, but there might be a chance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Stefan
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi guys!
>>>>>A few weeks ago I emailed David Levy with a bunch of questions. I asked him if
>>>>>there would be any travel support and he said no. Apparently the entry form is
>>>>>due out in early May so we should have the full details then.
>>>>>
>>>>>I also asked about the rule requiring the program's author to be present and was
>>>>>told that this rule will be strictly enforced this time. All in all I'm not
>>>>>optimistic that I'll have a program competing, but you never know...
>>>>>
>>>>>cheers,
>>>>>Peter
>>>>
>>>>What a pity. That means Rebel and Tiger can't compete. What is wrong with
>>>>a representative?
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>
>>>The intent of the rule is good. But the result is bad because of the
>>>situation.
>>>
>>>It would be nice to have all programmers present. No doubt. But it is not
>>>just a bad idea, it is a _stupid_ idea when every year this is held in Europe,
>>>and people outside of europe are expected to either pay their own way, or else
>>>not attend. The latter is the result. And the tournament will mean a lot less
>>>as a result.
>>>
>>>ACM events ran for 25 years without this rule. If _all_ the events are going
>>>to be held in Europe, someone ought to think long and strong about just how
>>>poor this rule is. I (and others) could get operators, probably. I can't take
>>>off a week plus during classes, although I could probably make part of the event
>>>if it didn't cost so much.
>>>
>>>As it is, I won't make it at all. And that suggests that the policy is flawed.
>>
>>I think the rule is fine and I believe it. I wouldn't go even if the rule were
>>trashed. If people are going to travel thousands of miles to go to tournaments,
>>they shouldn't end up sitting across the table from people who don't have
>>anything to do with the program that they are operating.
>>
>>bruce
>
>
>I don't think it is a big problem. We had lots of cases where program authors
>couldn't attend for the entire tournament. But they could (and did) show up for
>some of the games, usually the last few rounds. But even if they don't, enough
>authors showed up to make it worthwhile.
>
>Now they get no authors _and_ no programs from a fairly large sect of computer
>chess programmers..
>
>The question is, is the event supposed to find the best program??? Or is it
>supposed to find the best program with an author that can afford to attend? I
>claim this second question is uninteresting to the extreme.
The event is supposed to find the guy that:
* can afford to attend
* can find the best possible hardware
* is the most lucky
* does not care to give away $1000 if he is a so called "professional"
The strength of his program is a completely secondary matter.
Which is why I proposed in the last century to have an uniform platform event
and a larger number of rounds.
Christophe
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