Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:14:11 04/27/00
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On April 27, 2000 at 20:57:38, Christophe Theron wrote: >On April 27, 2000 at 18:36:02, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On April 27, 2000 at 16:32:49, Bruce Moreland wrote: >> >>>On April 27, 2000 at 08:02:52, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On April 27, 2000 at 04:52:24, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 27, 2000 at 04:18:17, Peter McKenzie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 27, 2000 at 03:57:00, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 27, 2000 at 02:24:25, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On April 25, 2000 at 16:05:30, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 03:31:54, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On April 21, 2000 at 05:25:40, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On April 21, 2000 at 05:24:13, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On April 21, 2000 at 01:53:37, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On April 20, 2000 at 11:30:44, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On April 20, 2000 at 11:24:07, Ernst A. Heinz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Stefan, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Will you compete with DT anyway? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Probably not -- we have not yet found time to tune "DarkThought" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for the x86 platform and I strongly doubt that we can come up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with a competitive PC version until August. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=Ernst= >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's bad news. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stefan >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I won't be there either. It is expensive to travel to Europe every year. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>bruce >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Are you kidding? >>>>>>>>>>>>London is a nice play to go! >>>>>>>>>>>>Stefan >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Of course it is a nice PLACE to go :-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Stefan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I am not going this year. My most significant regret is not getting to visit >>>>>>>>>>with people, including you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>But I'm tired of travelling huge distances and getting no travel support. The >>>>>>>>>>ICCA seems to have little interest in promoting computer chess outside of >>>>>>>>>>Europe, and I'm tired of being the only American competitor who attends each >>>>>>>>>>event in person. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>bruce >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Is the no travel support issue already clear? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Stefan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I'm sorry, I don't understand your question. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>bruce >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Did you already ask for travel support for this event? >>>>>>>I am afraid you won't get any, but there might be a chance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Stefan >>>>>> >>>>>>Hi guys! >>>>>>A few weeks ago I emailed David Levy with a bunch of questions. I asked him if >>>>>>there would be any travel support and he said no. Apparently the entry form is >>>>>>due out in early May so we should have the full details then. >>>>>> >>>>>>I also asked about the rule requiring the program's author to be present and was >>>>>>told that this rule will be strictly enforced this time. All in all I'm not >>>>>>optimistic that I'll have a program competing, but you never know... >>>>>> >>>>>>cheers, >>>>>>Peter >>>>> >>>>>What a pity. That means Rebel and Tiger can't compete. What is wrong with >>>>>a representative? >>>>> >>>>>Ed >>>> >>>>The intent of the rule is good. But the result is bad because of the >>>>situation. >>>> >>>>It would be nice to have all programmers present. No doubt. But it is not >>>>just a bad idea, it is a _stupid_ idea when every year this is held in Europe, >>>>and people outside of europe are expected to either pay their own way, or else >>>>not attend. The latter is the result. And the tournament will mean a lot less >>>>as a result. >>>> >>>>ACM events ran for 25 years without this rule. If _all_ the events are going >>>>to be held in Europe, someone ought to think long and strong about just how >>>>poor this rule is. I (and others) could get operators, probably. I can't take >>>>off a week plus during classes, although I could probably make part of the event >>>>if it didn't cost so much. >>>> >>>>As it is, I won't make it at all. And that suggests that the policy is flawed. >>> >>>I think the rule is fine and I believe it. I wouldn't go even if the rule were >>>trashed. If people are going to travel thousands of miles to go to tournaments, >>>they shouldn't end up sitting across the table from people who don't have >>>anything to do with the program that they are operating. >>> >>>bruce >> >> >>I don't think it is a big problem. We had lots of cases where program authors >>couldn't attend for the entire tournament. But they could (and did) show up for >>some of the games, usually the last few rounds. But even if they don't, enough >>authors showed up to make it worthwhile. >> >>Now they get no authors _and_ no programs from a fairly large sect of computer >>chess programmers.. >> >>The question is, is the event supposed to find the best program??? Or is it >>supposed to find the best program with an author that can afford to attend? I >>claim this second question is uninteresting to the extreme. > > > >The event is supposed to find the guy that: >* can afford to attend >* can find the best possible hardware >* is the most lucky >* does not care to give away $1000 if he is a so called "professional" > > >The strength of his program is a completely secondary matter. > >Which is why I proposed in the last century to have an uniform platform event >and a larger number of rounds. > > > > Christophe This year you get your wish, partially. It is uniform platform. Of course, that culls a few good programs that are designed for other architectures. IE 10 years ago chessmachine would be disqualified. Now Dark Thought can't play. And given the choice I would want an alpha because crafty is designed around that architecture. I don't have to have a kryo-alpha, nor even a black-lab alpha... just an alpha for those of us wanting an alpha. hardware does play a role. And I have been against the commercial vs amateur nonsense since the first wmccc I played in. It made no sense then. It makes less sense now.
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