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Subject: Re: Dutch championship question (Frederic)

Author: Martin Schubert

Date: 04:10:25 05/09/00

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On May 08, 2000 at 16:42:16, Mike S. wrote:

>On May 08, 2000 at 05:58:49, Martin Schubert wrote:
>
>>On May 08, 2000 at 05:15:37, Frederic Friedel wrote:
>>(...)
>>>Huh? Of course they do. In fact they use highly advanced tablesbases, which may
>>>not be as comprehensive as Nalimov, but extend to more than five pieces. They
>>>are very cleverly compressed in patterns and heuristic examples. It's very
>>>unfair that computers don't have access to the knowledge bases these humans use.
>>
>>Okay. Then let's think about, what patterns the humans know and try to teach the
>>programms these patterns and heuristic examples.
>>That would be fair.
>
>I don't think so. Computer chess is about finding ways to have a program play
>the strongest chess possible, not about finding the best simulation of human
>thinking methods. Computers have their own methods, of which accessing EGTB's is
>one of them. The idea of understanding a computer chess system (with all of it's
>parts) as a chess player, seems to be beyond some. Therefore there's arguing
>about what is "forbidden" access of information during the game, referring both
>to opening and endgame data. But it's all inside the computer's case, like it's
>in the human's brain...
>
>Regards,
>M.Scheidl

My idea of computer chess is to improve the chess knowledge of programs. Of
course computers have their own methods. But to look into a given database and
look, which move is the best, can't IMO be the right thing.
Maybe sometimes, we will have analysed all endgame with 8 pieces. Someone makes
a database with all positions. And you give a programm access to this database.
Makes this the program play better chess?
Is this fair in a game between a human and a computer?
Enrique Irazoqui said: "Mass storage is a part of computers" (or something like
that). So you can store the whole chess knowledge, that has been achieved
somewhere, on one computer. And the program has these possibilities, and a human
doesn't have access to these data? Because mass storage belongs to computers,
books don't belong to humans? IMO, that's senseless.

Greetings, Martin Schubert



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