Author: Bruce Moreland
Date: 16:49:13 05/14/00
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On May 14, 2000 at 07:08:45, Hans Gerber wrote:
>If I question the practices of the scientists of the DB team in 1997, if R.
>Hyatt then defends them - completely misunderstanding the question of standards
>in science - and claims that it was Kasparov who had started it all with his
>"ugly accusations of cheating in puplic on the press conference after the second
>game", and the same R. Hyatt can't substabtiate his claims, on the contrary he's
>so impolite and arrogant to invite me to do some research in that question, you
>were on the spot and insulted my question as boring and stupid.
>Now you are not just a noname in computerchess, Hyatt is not exactly just
>"someone", Hsu is also _not_ really an unknown figure in the field - baseline is
>that the best actors in computerchess don't have a clue when it comes to very
>basic standards of science. I am not talking about politeness, about personal
>style, also very important details, but I am still talking about the details of
>an experimental setting. Instead of answering the question of the strength of
>the actual DEEP BLUE (against Kasparov), they tested the abilities of Kasparov
>to play chess against the machine after the turn-around of a friendly
>relationship into an atmosphere of suspicions about cheating - when the machine
>put already enough pressure itself on the human. Also very interesting research
>but not the one the DB team was payed for by IBM.
It's not about science, it's about dead horses being beaten for years. I'm not
going to defend either side. I think IBM approached the problem with their
marketing team at the point, and I think Kasparov blew up like a
high-performance racing engine that was revved for an extended period while
under no load. But it happened three years ago, and most of us tired of hearing
either side of this long ago.
bruce
>As long as the representatives of computerchess (here I include F. Friedel,
>ironically the aid of Kasparov) act arrogantly and mainly on the base of money
>(the actual championships in the Netherlands come to mind), the chessplayers
>might take the money but they won't play their best chess. In one of your
>articles you just had shown the fallacy of false conclusions ("so I am better
>than Fischer"), it must be _doable_ that you understand what I am talking
>about...
>
>
>Hans Gerber
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