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Subject: Re: Moderate Bean Counting

Author: Chris Whittington

Date: 12:31:25 07/02/00

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On July 02, 2000 at 10:01:58, KarinsDad wrote:

>On July 02, 2000 at 07:23:04, Chris Whittington wrote:
>
>>On July 02, 2000 at 05:21:45, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>
>>>Nobody is going to sit down and do psycho-statistical analysis of a thread's hit
>>>count drop-off rate.
>>
>>Tres drole. Sorry about the lack of accents.
>>
>>Most persons, with half a brain even, would be able to instantly intuit sensible
>>conclusions from readcount data. Quite why you would imagine it necessary to
>>perform SSDF-like statistical analysis to several places of decimals presumably
>>with degrees of confidance figures attached escapes me. Or are you arguing on a
>>reducto absurbam basis? I thought I already made it clear the idea of having the
>>data was just an aid to avoid the danger of being too arbitrary and subjective.
>>
>>>If the data were recorded with intent to use it as an aid
>>>in helping out with moderation decisions, all that would happen is that 1) The
>>>moderators would use the data (any data) to bolster their existing opinions
>>>about topicality, and 2) People who aren't moderators would use it in order to
>>>bolster complaints:  "You said my C++ post is off-topic but the page was
>>>refreshed 13 times."
>>
>>Your point (1) shows a degree of cynicism to the moderators and their decision
>>making processes.
>>
>>Your point (2) shows a degree of cynicism to members and their tendency to
>>complain. Or their motivations for doing so.
>>
>>I share your frustrations.
>>
>>>
>>>Sorry, but I don't agree that the intended purpose of this feature is necessary
>>>or desirable.
>>
>>But clearly there is little shared agreement on how to 'fix' problems, such as
>>those exampled by the Gerber-Hyatt threads. Are they 'unfixable'?
>
>
>I think you first have to determine if there is a problem before you should fix
>it. From what I have read, there are 3 or 4 people who tend to complain about
>the moderators and during any given flap, it tends to be the same 3 or 4 people.
>
>Examples such as the Gerber-Hyatt threads indicate a few people who appear to be
>discussing an on topic subject. The perceived problem was that they beat the
>topic into the ground (I'm right. No, I'm right) without adding a whole lot of
>new information and they threw some insults in for good measure. The first is
>not against the charter, just annoying. The second is against the charter and
>the moderators stepped in.


Sorry, I don't understand this. I thought the moderator said that Gerber was
banned (temporarily) because he resisted proving his identity. I thought from
this that if he did show his identity his posting status would be restored. I
further took it that if he 'admitted' to being "Rolf", then he would also be
allowed to post.

Also I didn't note any insults from Gerber. he seemed to be going out of his way
to be as un-insulting as possible. Perhaps he was insulting and I missed it. I
understand that if he personally insulted a member then according to the charter
he could be banned.

Was he insulting? Can you direct me to the particular post?

Chris Whittington




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