Author: Bruce Moreland
Date: 15:05:19 07/20/00
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On July 20, 2000 at 13:44:12, Tom Kerrigan wrote: >On July 19, 2000 at 21:24:27, Wayne Lowrance wrote: > >>On July 19, 2000 at 21:05:18, walter irvin wrote: >> >>>my best 5 chess programmers >>>1.deep blue team (deep blue) >>>2.richard lang (all were good + 8 titles!!!!!!) >>>3.amir ban (deep junior) >>>4.frans morsch (fritz) >>>5.ed (chess machine and rebel) >>> >>>there are a few that get left off the list ,either they did not win a title or >>>they just could not keep pace with the better programs . >> >>Dont you have a spot for Dr Rober Hyatt on that list ? I could not begin to give >>you the correct order except Dr Hyatt has got to receive major >>attention/consideration ! > >Hsu, Lang, Morsch, and Ed all have incredible history behind them. Hyatt >doesn't. I don't really consider Amir to be a legend (yet) and his name is >easily replaced with a number of others. Kittinger, Stanback, Bruce Moreland, >Christophe, Stefan, Uniakle, de Koening; sorry if I left anybody out. But I >consider any of these guys more impressive than Hyatt. > >-Tom Glad to see there's nothing personal going on on your end of the Bob - Tom equation. Bob gets credit for a lot of stuff: 1) Writing Cray Blitz. Was it the best program ever written? Would it have performed against modern micros? Who cares! It was there, when it was there, it won two championships, it got into the news, it promoted its sponsor, and Bob gets credit for putting it all together. 2) Writing Crafty. Crafty isn't the world champion, but who cares, it's obviously a high-end program and it's open source! It's been downloaded by a zillion people who either want to play against it or learn from the source, and thousands of people have played against it on the Internet and are playing against it right now. 3) Being an Internet authority. He has something to say about essentially everything technical. He says it not to show how smart he is, or to put others down, but because he wants to help people solve problems and make their chess programs better. If you ask Bob a question you get an answer, and it's the best answer he can give you, and he'll do work to get you the answer. And this is not just a recent thing, he's been doing this since the Internet came of age and before. 4) Researching and publishing. He's published useful articles on Cray Blitz, in a field where most published articles are not useful, especially early articles. He's also published several articles about Crafty and about general computer chess topics such as diminishing returns in search and parallel search. This is stuff that anyone can learn from and many have. Any computer chess library will contain articles written by Bob. The issue of who should be especially honored among members of our community should be many-faceted. I think that it is tempting to elevate the person who has won recent championships or who is on top of the SSDF list, etc. I think that is a ridiculously narrow view. If you look at overall sustained contribution, you can't possibly arrive at the conclusions you have reached. bruce
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