Author: Bertil Eklund
Date: 07:25:14 07/28/00
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On July 28, 2000 at 03:49:58, blass uri wrote: >On July 28, 2000 at 01:16:36, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote: > >>On July 28, 2000 at 00:58:14, Jouni Uski wrote: >> >>>I made comparison between Carson's latest human list and SSDF to clear >>>possible level difference. But it's very difficult, when there are not many >>>exactly same software and hardware combinations. I removed multiprosessor >>>results and made assumption, that difference between 200MMX and 450 Mhz is 79p >>>(for comp-comp, sure not for human-comp). Here's some figures: >>> >>> Program average speed Against humans SSDF rating difference >>> >>> Rebel 431Mhz 2549/33 games 2594 (200MMX+79p) -45 >>> Fritz6 500Mhz 2457/15 2721 (450) -264 >>> Hiarcs6 272Mhz 2573/20 2518 (200MMX) +55 >>> Shredder 500Mhz 2495/8 2676 (450) -181 >>> CM5/6K 375Mhz 2521/14 2653 (200MMX+79p) -132 >>> >>>This means, that average difference (Against human - SSDF rating) is -85p. >>>(Weighted difference for all 90 games). >>> >>>I think this confirms general feeling, that SSDF must drop level by 100 points. >>>Counting these multiprosessor Junior/Fritz may still lower level. >>> >>>I this this kind of list is much more reasonable than current: >>> >>> 1 Fritz 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2621 >>> 2 Junior 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2589 >>> 3 Chess Tiger 12.0 DOS 128MB K6-2 450 2571 >>> 4 Fritz 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2554 >>> 5 Nimzo 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2553 >>> 6 Junior 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2526 >>> 6 Hiarcs 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2526 >>> 8 Crafty 17.07/CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2524 >>> 9 Nimzo 99 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2523 >>> 10 Hiarcs 7.32 64MB P200 MMX 2477 >>> 11 Fritz 5.32 64MB P200 MMX 2475 >>> 12 Chessmaster 6000 64MB P200 MMX 2474 >>> 13 Hiarcs 7.0 64MB P200 MMX 2460 >>> 13 Fritz 5.0 PB29% 67MB P200 MMX 2460 >>> 15 Nimzo 99 64MB P200 MMX 2449 >>> 16 Junior 5.0 64MB P200 MMX 2437 >>> 17 Nimzo 98 58MB P200 MMX 2425 >>> 18 Rebel 9.0 47MB P200 MMX 2420 >>> 19 Hiarcs 6.0 49MB P200 MMX 2418 >>> 20 Rebel 8.0 51MB P200 MMX 2410 >>> >>>Jouni >> >>Yes, but if you leave Fritz6 on top it is too inflated compared to human games, >> and dropping hiarcs rating would be a problem as well since it earned its >>rating 2573, it seems like the damage is done and you need a separate ratings >>list for comps vs human. I do not think you can just lower the ratings straight >>across the board. >> Lanny > >I think that the leader of the ssdf(if it is not for a short period) will always >be inferior against computers(unless there is a big difference of more than 100 >elo ssdf rating). > >The best players will always buy the number 1 in the ssdf and prepare against it >so programs number 2 and number 3 can get better result against humans because >humans are less prepared against them. > >Fritz is leading the ssdf most of the time in the last years. > >Some other programs like Junior and tiger and chessmaster could be the leaders >only for a short time. > >This is the reason that people buy more fritz and this is the reason that fritz >is inferior against humans(I talked with one of the players in the israeli >league and he told me that he prepared against Fritz but did not prepared >against other programs). > >Uri Hi! I fully agree with you because i have spoked with a lot of strong players and almost everyone plays and analyzes with Fritz all day long. In the next list august 4 or 5 we are going to subtract maybee 100 points (still under discussion) Bertil SSDF
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