Author: Jari Kylmälä
Date: 07:15:59 11/21/97
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On November 21, 1997 at 06:41:48, Ed Schröder wrote: >>Posted by Jari Kylmälä on November 20, 1997 at 21:09:45: > >>In Reply to: Re: Mate in 30 testposition for Rebel 9! posted by Ed Schröder >>on November 20, 1997 at 09:32:05: > >>>Jouni, you just blew our idea to do a new "mate in 30 moves" contest as >>>we assume nobody will find a better position :-( > >>>On the other hand you saved us a lot of work :-) > >>>---- >>>Robert Kemper > > >>You also strongly assumed that nobody can beat your 13610 nodes position >>in your 'mate in 15' contest. I can guarantee that there are people >>crazy enough to find better positions than this :) 'Rebel Quiz II - mate >>in 30' >>is a nice idea. Many people enjoyed the previous quiz (including myself) >>and this contest would be very interesting. > >Thanks but I doubt. First there is the 'mate announcement' glitch with >mates greater than 23 moves which makes it too difficult to do the >'mate in 30' contest. My second doubt is that too many people will >find the job to difficult. > >But I am open for new ideas to do another contest. > >What about the following idea... > >#1. People create a database of 10 positions. >#2. The 10 most original databases will be awarded. >#3. Again 2 categories, one for Rebel9 and one for Rebel Decade 2.0 >#4. So in total 20 prizes like last year (details later) > >To get an impression of last year see: > >http://www.rebel.nl/quizres.htm > >The idea is to install a jury of 3 people who will be in charge >for the prize awards. I need volunteers here as I don't want have >anything to say about it. But before you volunteer think about the >work involved. The jury (for their work) will be awarded too with >free Rebel software. It's entirely my job to pick the three jury >members of my choice. > >Definition for the jury how to award is simply the beauty of chess >found in the contributed 10 positions including the comments/ >annotations/analysis in the 300 characters Rebel is offering you for >each move in the move comment. > >All contributed positions and analysis will be free downloadable from >the Rebel Home Page afterwards. If like last year a few hundred people >will participate this will be a super download! > >Comments on the idea are welcome. > >Is 10 positions too much? > >5 or 3? > >- Ed Schroder - > I still like the 'mate in 30' idea more. The arguments why I personally don't like this idea are: How is the beauty of chess defined? Some may think long tactical lines are beautiful while some may think positional chess is beautiful. It's too difficult to judge that.. and therefore improving your database is very difficult. You'll not know if the judge likes the new database more or less than the older. The main excitement in the 'mate in 15' contest was that you always knew how you are doing.. by looking at the number of nodes. In this case you have to send your database to the jury and ask 'Is this better than the previous contribution?' :) Also.. it's very hard to say if the position is original or not. Many nice positions (with annotations) are found from the books and the web and it will be tough task for the jury to find out all these positions. I will probably skip this contest. It's missing the excitement which forced me to join the 'mate in 15' contest and forced me to use hours to improve my position. Your doubts about 'mate in 30' might be true. How about a bugfix for the mate announcement problem? It's hard to say if it's too difficult a contest. I haven't tried myself yet but I have few ideas. Well.. just my humble opinion. What are the others thinking? -- Jari Kylmälä
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