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Subject: Re: The privilege of beacoming a beta-tester

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 11:04:06 09/05/00

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On September 05, 2000 at 13:57:55, Eddie wrote:

>On September 05, 2000 at 13:53:43, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On September 05, 2000 at 13:46:53, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>
>>>On September 05, 2000 at 13:31:56, Eddie wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 05, 2000 at 12:04:50, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>One day someone may write a book about the sociology of computer chess. Well,
>>>>>maybe the topic is not interesting enough for a book, but at least an article
>>>>>could be fascinating. A few paragraphs should relate to beta-testing and the
>>>>>relationship between CC freaks and programmers. Fernando: are you interested?
>>>>>
>>>>>Months ago, Uri posted that he expected to be paid for his collaboration with
>>>>>the development of chess programs. It made me smile, because beta-testing is
>>>>>supposed to be a privilege for the tester, although I never quite understood why
>>>>>it works this way. But it does. From one day to the next, a freak may be
>>>>>promoted to the "in" circle, improve his status to the imaginary rank of expert
>>>>>and get the ensuing ego-booster, but he has to pay a price. I have seen private
>>>>>emails from beta-testers published without permission when it was commercially
>>>>>convenient; beta-testers demoted as no-team members; beta-testers forced to
>>>>>write commercially useful stuff for the honor of spending X (when X tends to
>>>>>very many) hours hunting for bugs and checking the engine. Etc. It would seem a
>>>>>matter of common sense to assume, as Uri did, that collaborating in the
>>>>>improvement of a commercial product is a paid job, but in computer chess it is
>>>>>the other way round, even if the tester doesn't pay with money but in species.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have received over the years quite a few betas, but I always made clear that I
>>>>>would play with them for my own fun and in the way I was interested in, at my
>>>>>own whimsical pace, and that I was thoroughly incompetent as a tester (I am). A
>>>>>few times I declined, shame on me, the honor of beta-testing. Certainly the idea
>>>>>of getting paid for what in my case was a no-job didn't cross my mind, but the
>>>>>hierarchical relationship programmer-tester didn't either. Still, this kind of
>>>>>relationship seems to be quite common.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why would that be this way, why a person feels promoted and agrees to pay for
>>>>>the promotion. Strange, isn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>>Enrique
>>>>
>>>>I think it would be an "honor" to be a tester for these great programs!  :))
>>>
>>>You blew it. Instead of using quotation marks you should have wrote Honor. Nah,
>>>you'll never make it to the top... :)
>>
>>I think that Eddie used the quotation marks to express the opinion that it is
>>not an honor.
>>
>>Uri
>
>No Uri, it was written with quotation marks, to signify that it would be an
>"honor" ......  :))

By the same idea you can say that it is an honor to write a chess program so the
programmers do not need to sell their program for money.

I cannot disagree more.

Uri



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