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Subject: Re: Chessfun, Number One and Number Two

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 21:52:19 11/02/00

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On November 02, 2000 at 22:35:24, Ratko V Tomic wrote:

>> I agree. But as I said IMO it should have been removed.
>
>You and others complaining about it are overlooking that
>not everyone here is a native American English, or even English
>speaker. People from other languages translate often literally
>(and clumsily) from their own languages where word **** doesn't
>carry the same emotional baggage. Not all tribes share the same
>anal or genital hangups with the victorian-puritan tribes.
>Languages reflect such obsessions. I mean, how many languages
>or tribes take the trouble to come up with euphemisms like
>"number one" and "number two" for certain common physiological
>processes.
>
>Having been speaking and thinking daily in two languages
>for couple decades, I can tell you that words (to say nothing
>of phrases), which formally translate to each other, in fact
>associate, resonate and generally connect to their native
>semantic webs quite differently.
>
>So give them a little break. After all, we are talking here
>the most about the programs written by their kinfolk.
>Check the programs you're now playing with. Mostly
>American ones, right?

I am still wondering if this is completely cultural, or if this is a case of two
different types of thinking:

1) People who view CCC as a collection of adults.

2) People who wouldn't talk that way around kids, and view CCC as "around kids".

When you speak in your native language, would you tell a kid that you need to
shit?  Would  you tell them to wipe the shit off their hands?  If you are a
parent, and your kid says, "oh shit" loudly and publicly when he falls down,
what do you do?  If you get bad service from a waiter, when he leaves do you
tell your child that the waiter is a shit head?

In English, in my experience, these are not expressions commonly used by or
around children.  Either that, or it is at least permissible to be offended when
someone uses such expressions around your own children.

bruce



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