Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 13:26:20 12/06/00
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On December 06, 2000 at 13:30:05, Harry Field wrote: >On December 06, 2000 at 10:52:06, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On December 06, 2000 at 01:20:08, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On December 06, 2000 at 00:50:33, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>Isn't this the latest fad? Can you say "deep junior", "deep fritz"? Care >>>>to guess where "deep" was first used? :) Ie what could be more confusing >>>>than "deep junior" after there is already a very famous program that went >>>>by "deep blue junior"??? >>> >>> >>> >>>I wouldn't have dared to say it myself. I happen to be in perfect agreement with >>>you on this topic. >>> >>> >> >>I'm a big boy. I don't mind stating the obvious. > >Except you happen to be wrong. Big boy. > Nice opinion, no proof? > >> >>:) >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>>Seems to me that borrowing from a "famous name" is quite acceptable, >>>>wouldn't you think? >>> >>> >>> >>>I did not say it is not acceptable or illegal. >>> >>>It's just a low commercial practice. And generally used by followers, that's why >>>I have been disappointed to see Stefan doing it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >> >>I wouldn't begin to claim to know the motivation behind any of the look-alike >>names. I simply don't like the idea much. IE "crafty" is "crafty" whether it >>is a parallel searcher or a serial searcher. I don't like any of the following, >>personally: >> >>1. the name is a proper subset of the name of another program. IE there is >>already a program named x y z, and the new name is either x y, x z or y z. >> >>2. the name is an improper subset of the name of another program. ie there >>is a program named x y, and the new program is named x z or y z. >> >>1 certainly leads to mass confusion. 2 leads to some confusion. Both seem to >>be 'strange'... >> >>IE on ICC we have had a "deepblue", a "deeperblue". A "diepblue". Etc. >>I don't like any of them. Since none have Hsu/Campbell/Hoane/etc behind them. > >Hsu/Cambell ripped the name "Deep Thought" off from the Douglas Adams book >"Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". Deep Thought was a computer which was >supposed to be able to answer the question of life, the universe and everything, >taking seven million years and producing the answer "42". > >Also around at that time, as "big boys" will remember, was the Linda Lovelace >porn movie "Deep Throat", featuring a prolonged act of oral sex for the "first" >time on mass release in video porn stores. The name "Deep Throat" was then used >for the mole in the Nixon administration which was feeding inside informations >to Woodward/Berstein team reference the Watergate scandal. Whether Deep Thought >or Deep Throat came first (sic), I don't know. Both came before Hsu and co. > >Deep Thought was then renamed Deep Blue for IBM purposes. How your theory that a >ripped off name could then be 'owned' and further users of it castigated is >beyond me. Have you an agenda or case to prove? I don't have anything to prove. The _first_ chess program to use the name "deep anything" was deep thought. IBM then changed the name to deep blue. That is what I said. That is _all_ I said. It is _famous_ as the name of an Carnegie-mellon development (deep thought) and then an IBM development project (deep blue). All quite easy to verify. I would see no problem with someone naming their program "HAL" from 2001, because there has _never_ been a chess program named HAL. I don't believe that I (or Christophe) castigated anybody. I would take issue with someone using the name "crafty" in any form for a name, although saying their program is a "crafty chess player" would be quite legitimate. Don't you find the names a bit "odd"? We had Deep Blue and Deep Blue Junior, and now Deep Junior and/or deep fritz. We had gambit tiger, and then "gambit shredder"? I would think everyone could be more original than that, _if_ they wanted to be. > > >"Gambit" is a well known chess term and is and has been used left right and >centre for quite a while. You can purchase chess programs at "Gambitsoft", you >can purchase "Kasparov's Gambit", there is a "Gambit Tiger", programs now are >released with "versions" containing Gambit in the name. We know some of you like >to own everything, but facts right before foot goes in mouth in future, please. >You are not original. Based on your arcane argument, no program name is unique. Yet I would claim there has _never_ been a program named "blitz", "cray blitz", or "crafty", except for the ones written by me. I would also think it inappropriate for anybody to use those names on a chess program. My foot is not in my mouth. And I (nor anybody else I know of) don't want to "own everything". But there is no sense in causing confusion, and perhaps trying to gather a bit of promotional appeal by using a name that is well known.
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