Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 14:32:39 04/19/01
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On April 19, 2001 at 17:01:17, Christophe Theron wrote: >Oh no, not you Thorsten! :-))) i don't understand what you mean. Matrix is my best example for how capitalism works. the people do not even realize anymore that they get exploited. they believe that they live in freedom and in fact they are in a tank, while the machines get their energy. >You SHOULD understand my point. aha. >You always talk about "the borgs". Isn't it about not believing in propaganda, >learning to think by oneself? but - i am the same opinion. when stefan writes something that fits to my mind, why should i think this is propaganda. it sounded very logical and normal to me. >That's my point here. yes. i do see. but why is it propaganda when stefan explains why he did not participate. its obvious. this match is a nonsense, organized for the benefit of a single company, they take some people they believe that these guys have reputation, and they misuse this to make the tournament (although it has unbelievable bad conditions) into an event. but a shit thing is not growing into a good thing just because a few more or less idle and arrogant experts give their names. enrique and the ssdf claimed to be objective testers. IMO they out themselves as the opposite in the whole process of the match. cause they show us exactly that they cannot differenciate between normal (good conditions for computerchess) and NOT good conditions for computerchess. how can anybody who wants to be taken serious support a tournament that is beeing organised under these conditions. for me the whole discussion is wasted time. i will not follow this match and it does not interest me. its unfair and i am not interested in PR-campaigns that are unfair and without sense. i wonder why those experts cannot handle out fair and normal conditions. i can only guess that those conditions come from the business guys. and this shows what is our mess. the completely different point of view, of business men and computerchess enthusiasts. the one construct such a match, with those unbelievable conditions. even david levy, himself in charge for a few icca championships with - lets say it moderate - minor problems, makes jokes about it. if HE laughs about it, how loud shall my laugh be, cause i critisized the icca for their mistakes ? >Somebody said "Kramnik wants to have the program in advance, so he is going to >win all the games". right. >And everybody followed and said "yes, that's unacceptable". but it IS unacceptable. you don't have to do such a match if you do it THIS way. i don't see your point. if he has the program month before, he will learn how to beat it. if you create a program than changes itself, you will weaken the playing strength of this program. rebel-tiger12 is not as strong as gambit-tiger1. they have different playing styles. and therefore also different strength. if you change playing style, the strength changes too. why should you risk this ? you HAVE a strong program. why weaken it just to make the match ? thats nonsense ! would kramnik weaken himself, would he allow YOU to play 3 months with him to learn how HE works ? >Nobody used his brain to realize that it was not a problem. NOBODY. it IS a problem IMO. maybe you HAVE a different idea. than please enlighten me how you will change the style the way that it plays as strong. this is impossible. if you have chessmaster8000 in default and e.g. in another style, the programs play different strong. same for many other programs. maybe gambit-tiger2 default plays weaker than gambit-tiger2 aggressive, as some people have posted somewhere. i think it could be true. style is PART of the strength. there is no strength existing far from style. style IS strength. >Isn't it SHOCKING? >If we generalize this to our whole lives, I think it's pretty likely that >EVERYDAY on a number of topics, we all believe in something and agree with each >other without even using our brains. the brain has 2 halves. some people use both halves , some use the left brain halve, some the right brain halve. i don't see your point. with saying "using your brain" you want to say that some people do not use their logic ? and speak out emotional feelings without reflecting on the topic?! >That's the message behind "FREE YOUR MIND". free your mind could also mean: don't think, cause logic blocks creativity. IMO ONE reason gambit-tiger is plays stronger than rebel-tiger is, because gambit-tiger has the freedom to play moves that are not accurate. if you always try to find the best move, you will lose. because there is no way to do so.
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