Author: stuart taylor
Date: 17:03:14 05/15/01
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On May 15, 2001 at 17:15:53, John Dahlem wrote:
>On May 15, 2001 at 16:37:29, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On May 15, 2001 at 15:37:18, Steve Coladonato wrote:
>>
>>>On May 15, 2001 at 12:46:51, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 15, 2001 at 10:43:25, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>This game is from the Israeli final of correspondence games.
>>>>>
>>>>>All the moves of black were suggested by Deep Fritz's opening book or Deep
>>>>>Fritz's search.
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe that white is the only player who does not use a computer in the final
>>>>>The other players who do not use a computer were eliminated on previous stages.
>>>>>
>>>>>[Event "correspondence"]
>>>>>[Site "tel-aviv"]
>>>>>[Date "2001.05.14"]
>>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>>[White "David vaichel"]
>>>>>[Black "uri blass"]
>>>>>[Result "*"]
>>>>>[ECO "B82"]
>>>>>[PlyCount "60"]
>>>>>[EventDate "2001.05.14"]
>>>>>
>>>>>{8192kB. Pentium200} 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3
>>>>>e6 7. f4 b5 8. Qf3 Bb7 9. Bd3 Nbd7 10. g4 b4 11. Nce2 e5 12. Nb3 d5 13. Ng3 Qc7
>>>>>14. g5 Nxe4 15. Nxe4 Rc8 16. Ng3 d4 17. Be4 Bxe4 18. Qxe4 dxe3 19. O-O-O g6 20.
>>>>>fxe5 Be7 21. h4 Nxe5 22. Nd4 Nc4 23. Rhg1 O-O 24. b3 Na3 25. Nge2 Rfe8 26. Qd3
>>>>>Qe5 27. Rg4 Nxc2 28. Kb1 Na3+ 29. Kb2 Bc5 30. Rc1 Nb5 *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Am I missing something? Ie what is the _point_ of playing chess using a
>>>>computer, particularly if the computer suggests _every_ move???
>>>
>>>The ICCF allows unrestrained use of computers. Most other CC organizations
>>>allow the use of computers for recording moves/games and database searches but
>>>not for move generation (of course impossible to enforce).
>>>
>>>Personally, I don't understand the unrestrained use of computers in CC or even
>>>ICC.
>>
>>The opposite.
>>I do not understand decision of not allowing computers when you have no way to
>>catch cheaters if they do not admit that they use computers.
>>
>>The general opinion of people that I talked with them is that forbidding using
>>computers in correspondence games is useless because there is no way to catch
>>cheaters so the best thing to do is to allow people to use computers.
>>
>>In the ICC I can understand someone wishing to play against a computer
>>>engine but not to use a computer engine to play against someone or some other
>>>engine (except possibly for a chess programmer to test his code).
>>
>>The reason to use computers for non programmers in correspondence games is very
>>simple:
>>People want to win.
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>Yes, but you win in name only. Deep Fritz with 2% help (perhaps even your few
>suggestions hurt DF, who knows?) from Uri Blass won that tournament, but sadly
>It will not get credit for the victory. My hat goes off to Mr Vaichal, for
>being morally if not rationally correct in his actions.
>
>John
Some people might be too snobish to stoop so low as to rely on a computer over
his own mind.
Or simply, obstinate and closed-minded as to how good computers can be.
I, actually believe I could beat many computer users through intelligent use of
the same programs. But It takes a great amount of time and effort. But on wings.
(using the computer is like adding wings).
S.Taylor
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