Author: Jeroen van Dorp
Date: 04:40:23 05/16/01
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On May 15, 2001 at 20:03:14, stuart taylor wrote: >>Some people might be too snobish to stoop so low as to rely on a computer over >his own mind. >Or simply, obstinate and closed-minded as to how good computers can be. Maybe it's not being snobbish, or denying the excellence of a computer program, but just missing the fun.... Over at playchess.de a few computer cheaters were discovered, and that while they have the opportunity to play advanced or even computer chess in a separate competition. It showed a guy playing over 130 games with assistance from Fritz, under four accounts. He must have been busy operating, and he must have liked it, but (especially because on this site you DO have the opportunity to use a computer in two other leagues) people STILL use computer assistance in the *only* league they shouldn't - really spoils MY fun. Discussing the merits of cheating/computer assistance someone told that blunders never were a part of correspondence chess. Very true, but the suggestion rises that all correspondence games should end in a draw, because of no tactical mistakes. Not true, as small tactical mistakes - sometimes met with some nice novelties - *are* a part of correspondence chess. Playing as a human gives you the possibility to thrive on those weaknesses, and let the opponent stray. > >I, actually believe I could beat many computer users through intelligent use of >the same programs. But It takes a great amount of time and effort. But on wings. >(using the computer is like adding wings). With today's computer chess programs, you have to rely on 'horizon effects, unfavourable 'closed position', 'anti-computer play', almost completely "removing" the game of chess against a human. It's very well possible to draw or beat a computer program when you're at a higher level in correspondence chess. Your analogy "adding wings" gives the problem (for me) of legalizing "computer cheating" in correspondence chess a face: people in high jump trying to jump as high as possible with their body are allowed to use a plane to jump. Of course the world record will be a jump of over 30,000 feet, no doubt, but it's no human high jump anymore. When I see Uri citing the game, with the names of the 'players' in it, I realize it has nothing to do with human correspondence chess anymore. He likes it that way, and I'm happy to, but I won't enter those competitions (anymore). Just because (as I already said) I can stay safely at home and play against all the programs I have. Less than $500 - 700 and you have them all. It's very rewarding to see after a game that my computer programs weren't able to better my achievement in their analysis. Maybe I would have come to the same moves using all my computer programs, but it was *me* taking the initiative, and me finding the solution to an endfame I surely would screw up over the board. *I* think it's too bad seemingly human correspondence chess has disappeared. I thought this variety a lot of fun. And even more, I really can't imagine I'm the only one. But hey, maybe I should get a life :)) J.
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