Author: Dave Gomboc
Date: 18:31:19 05/12/98
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On May 12, 1998 at 14:55:26, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >On May 11, 1998 at 21:52:03, Dave Gomboc wrote: > >Get some chess lessons Dave. Are you volunteering? Come by anytime you're willing to fly overseas. >the program is a pawn up. b4 is a horizontal effect to delay that >he's bad. > >Where b4 can be discussed about, b4-b5? is cleary horrible. > >It's against all positional rules of chess, but knowing that DB just >got 11 ply, it's not very surprising anymore to me that it has >these horizon effects. You're not counting the 4 ply guaranteed in the hardware before extensions? Of course, you couldn't be so derisive about a 15-ply search. Never mind the extensions that regularly cause some lines to be searched 50 to 60 ply. But this is beside the point. You just don't understand, do you? There are rules, and there are times when you break them. You are a strong enough player, surely you must realize this? Deep Blue isn't as prejudiced as you are when it comes to analyzing a chess position. It will play a move that looks ugly if it's good, maybe that is not the case for you? You are claiming that b5 is a crappy move. Give some analysis. I'll change my mind if you can convince me. How's that? >In this position singular extensions don't work very well you see. > >Too much possibilities to cover pieces and move with material. >Checks/Mating threats and such are not needed here, and freeapawn >extensions are very ineffective too, as the freepawn of white will not >come >further than e5. > >So searching 11 ply there is 11 ply and no ply more. >Do you think it weird then that it plays like some first versions >of my own program? >At analysis level diep wants to play b4? too. but when it gets deeply, >then it doesn't consider b5 anymore, as this move becomes more >and more horrible, concluded from lines DB never saw in that game. > >Vincent You have been preaching about how much better your software is than everyone else's for a while "at long time controls". A long while, in fact the reason we have the Korrespondence Kup is *because* of your entirely unsubstantiated claims -- claims (to paraphrase: my software is by far the best in the world at long time controls) that didn't hold up when push came to shove (though I'll admit it was a small sample). You still perpetuate this nonsense. How many more years will it be before you give it up? You don't have a clue about what DB understands. I don't have a lot of concrete details myself, but at least I bother to do some homework. I *have* spoken with Murray Campbell about Deep Blue and about the match, (I posted the details some months ago), and I'll believe his informed opinion over your "deep blue sucks" ranting any day of the week. Of course, if you could get Diep up to 2500 SSDF or so on an MMX 200, I'd reconsider what you write -- at that point I'd begin to assume that you know what you're talking about. Dave Gomboc
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