Author: Miguel A. Ballicora
Date: 07:12:50 08/24/01
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On August 24, 2001 at 10:04:45, Mark Young wrote: >On August 24, 2001 at 09:37:13, Ulrich Tuerke wrote: > >>On August 24, 2001 at 08:52:51, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:58:08, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:51:16, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:29:21, Günther Simon wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:15:30, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:06:51, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Here are the results by >>>>>>>>elostat program >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You can see that shredder is only 3th place micro based on the performance. >>>>>>>>Shredder is the world Micro champion by definition but Tiger and Rebel had a >>>>>>>>better performance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>1 Deep Junior 7 : 2745 228 281 9 88.9 % 2384 22.2 % >>>>>>>>2 Quest (DeepFritz) : 2550 266 169 9 66.7 % 2430 44.4 % >>>>>>>>3 Chess Tiger 14.6 Gambit Tiger : 2499 291 229 9 55.6 % 2461 22.2 % >>>>>>>>4 Crafty 18.10X : 2467 291 165 9 55.6 % 2428 44.4 % >>>>>>>>5 Rebel : 2466 291 229 9 55.6 % 2428 22.2 % >>>>>>>>6 Shredder : 2466 266 249 9 66.7 % 2346 22.2 % >>>>>>>>7 Goliath : 2421 291 165 9 55.6 % 2382 44.4 % >>>>>>>>8 Gromit 3.9.5 : 2364 278 201 9 61.1 % 2285 33.3 % >>>>>>>>9 Ferret : 2359 291 229 9 55.6 % 2320 22.2 >>>>>>>>%10 Gandalf 5.0 : 2310 291 229 9 55.6 % 2271 22.2 >>>>>>>>% >>>>>>>>11 ParSOS : 2256 291 229 9 55.6 % 2217 22.2 % >>>>>>>>12 Diep : 2227 165 291 9 44.4 % 2265 44.4 % >>>>>>>>13 IsiChess X : 2166 201 278 9 38.9 % 2245 33.3 % >>>>>>>>14 Tao : 2165 229 291 9 44.4 % 2203 22.2 % >>>>>>>>15 Ruy Lopez : 2118 366 266 9 33.3 % 2238 0.0 % >>>>>>>>16 Pharaon : 2082 169 266 9 33.3 % 2202 44.4 % >>>>>>>>17 SpiderGirl : 2014 213 255 9 27.8 % 2180 33.3 % >>>>>>>>18 XiNiX : 1724 400 108 9 5.6 % 2216 >> >> >>LOOK AT THE ERROR MARGINS ! ELOstat is in perfect agreement with everything. >> >> >> >> 11.1 % >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>congratulation also for the Deep Junior team for winning the event convincingly >>>>>>>>when the difference from the second place is almost 200 elo and the hardware >>>>>>>>explain less than 70 elo difference. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Uri >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I can add that I think that it may be a better idea to use elostat to decide >>>>>>>about the world champion in the future. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I know that a lot of people are going to disagree but it is my opinion. >>>>>>>I prefer a complicated method that does more justive and not a simple method. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Uri >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Sorry Uri - but this is really nonsens. >>>>>>You cant use ELO-Stat on a Swiss Tournament with 9 rounds as >>>>>>it is described by the author. ELO-Stat is designed to calculate >>>>>>ratings out of a pool of unknown rated progs with a very very lot >>>>>>of games. >>>>>>Therefor if you take a closer look at your table you would see that >>>>>>the error margin is at least 435!pts (Pharaon) and max 632!! (RuyLopez). >>>>>>And would you really believe Parallel SOS to be at 2256? :)) >>>>> >>>>>The question is not which program is better. >>>>>competitions of 9 rounds are not supposed to answer this question. >>>>> >>>>>The question is which program did better result. >>>>>The elostat answer this question better than the ranking >>>>> >>>>>The rating is also based on average of 2300 if I remember corectly and should >>>>>not be compared with humans. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>You must be a strong Tigerfan to post this very unlike post, as it >>>>>>is diametral to all your previous posts about stats?! >>>>> >>>>>I do not see contradiction with previous posts of myself. >>>>> >>>>>>(Btw hasnt Shredder won against Tiger or am I out of memory?) >>>>> >>>>>Yes >>>>>Shredder won against tiger. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>I can add congratulations for crafty for being the best amatuer. >>>>I here that Gromit won the title of the best amatuer and it is unfair because >>>>Crafty was more than 100 elo better >>>> >>>>I know that Gromit beated Crafty in the last round but it does not change the >>>>fact that Crafty was more than 100 elo better based on elostat. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>A nine round Swiss tournament to determine the computer world championship in my >>>mind makes the title world champion a joke. This is nothing more then another >>>computer chess tournament. To draw any conclusions from this one tournament and >>>then declare the winner to be the world champion makes me sick. If the title of >>>computer world champion means the winner is declared the strongest computer >>>program. >> >>It's just the same with human tournaments. The world champion is determined as >>the winner of a special tournament. > >Not Correct, yes they play tournaments, but never using the Swiss tournament >system. > >> >>That's an exciting and interesting way to determine the champion and I seriously >>can't see what's wrong with this. > >You don't see a problem with an open tournament with only 9 rounds to declar a >world champion? No Human Champion has ever been declared this way. Yes, every single year the Junior World Champion is declared after a swiss tournament. In fact, preliminary qualifiers for the FIDE title are also swiss tournaments. The Panamerican just finished with 140+ strong players (Yermolinsky won). Regards, Miguel
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