Author: Fernando Villegas
Date: 11:36:28 05/30/98
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On May 30, 1998 at 11:47:41, SEAN EVANS wrote: Sean: Even if Ed did what you say and just took email addresses from here, thing he say he has not done, I don't see the reason for such an outcry like yours. The word "exploit a position" seems to be somewhat exagerated. And also to qualify his post as "junk". I received the very same email -I am susbcribed in the list provided by Ed in his home page- and I prefer to evaluate it as information: I have been informed of a commercial offer, yes, but that is still information and beside there are many others things that are of benefice for me me. Information about a match that is free to see, information about Rebel decade that is free to get, information about a file with Vishy games that is free to download. Frankly, I don't think all that to be horrible spams neither is Ed with a pistol in our chest coercing us to buy his program that probably all here already have since a lot time ago. I think is not fair to be so pure with respect to the scattered commercial concerns that some people can have here. If Amir post me about a new Junior version I will not see that with bad eyes, but as an information that can be useful. The same if Steve ever put here a comuniqué telling us that this or that product is on rebate. Why is that so awful and unacceptable? We are here posting each other with programmers but we should go to another site to know if something new is available from them? Of course all is a matter of degrees. If this site was plentiful of advertising your point would be worth of some debate, but then it would unnecesary. Nobody need to be warned in such a condition. Actually you rarely could see a post with a hint of commercial interest. And, I insist, I think acceptable the very existence of that commercial interest HERE as much in any other site. Now I suppose that because of these words you will think with greater force that I don't deserve to be considered as pure guy to be a moderator. I would like you to explain that statement of your that put all of us but Thosrten in a doubtful light. fernando > >The problem with have having moderators with a commercial interest in >Chess software is they may exploit CCC to make profits. > >I didn't give you people my Email address so one (1) person could spam >me and exploit his position at CCC to make profits. > >Case in point; I received Junk E-mail from the German programmer Ed >Schroder today trying to get me to buy his crappy DOS Rebel 9 program. >I think this proves the selfish and self centered nature of Schroder and >his departure as moderator a very good thing. > >This would certainly involve the CCC moderator candidate from Israeli, >programmer Amir Ban who is this author of Junior. Potentially a person >with a business interest such as this may take an impartial view to some >postings or once again get ahold of the members list and spam us with >sales pitches. > >The nominations are fixed, I tell you, I nominated MARK YOUNG and yet >his name is not on the list. WHY!!! > >The only person on the list currently PURE enough to do this job is >Thorsten Czub. God bless him for volunteering to clean up this polluted >Newgroup. The last moderators screwed it up big time!!! > >Wishing you all the best, > >The Apostle Sean > >HERE IS THE EMAIL SENT TO ME FROM SCHRODER: > >Dear Chess Friend, > >With this email we like to inform you on several topics you might be >interested in, especially we hope you will like our news that REBEL will >play an 8 game match against World no.2 chess player Vishy Anand! > >VISHY ANAND versus REBEL, some snips from our home page >------------------------------------------------------- >>From July 21 till July 23,1998 REBEL in Italy on the island Ischia will >play 8 >games against World's SECOND BEST chess player VISHY ANAND. > >The most exciting question is if a normal commercial available chess >program >running on a normal PC is able to compete with the human chess TOP. Deep >Blue (especially in the last match against Garry Kasparov) has proven it >is >able to compete. > >Deep Blue from IBM last year with super fast and special designed >hardware >hitting 200,000,000 nodes per second (NPS) beat Garry Kasparov with >3½-2½. >The main question will be if Rebel on a normal available PC hitting >200,000 >NPS will be able to set another milestone in chess. > >Internet LIFE coverage of the event on the Rebel Home Page (and other >sites) >including Rebel's analysis! This means that while watching the >Rebel-Anand >games life you also will see Rebel's thoughts on your screen like the >main >variation, score, ply-depth etc. > >The full info you can find on the Rebel Home Page. Because of the event >we >offer you a free download of 2700 games (including statistics) which >represents the astonishing career of Vishy Anand. > >REBEL has moved to a better server >---------------------------------- >Because of the growing popularity of the Rebel Home Page (currently >200,000 >visitors a year!) we have moved to a better server at: >http://www.rebel.nl > >Rebel 9.0 news >-------------- >We want to decrease our stock of the Rebel 9.0 upgrade CD-Roms. For >those >who have no Rebel 9.0 yet this is a special opportunity because this >CD-rom >is exactly the same as a full version because together with the CD-rom >you'll also get the Rebel 8.0 program. > >In other words Rebel 9.0 and Rebel 8.0 all together for only $79 or DM >99. >Our summer sales offer of REBEL 9 + 8 is called REBEL 98! However summer >sales means: out of stock definitely too late... >Details at: http://www.rebel.nl/rebel98.htm > >New free software >----------------- >Besides the free Rebel Decade 2.0 two new nice pieces of chess software >are >released. A new version of the already famous (and free) EPD2DIAG >program >now comes with the Rebel Decade 2.0 chess engine. The same applies for >the >(in our opinion) best chess software in the world for email chess, >ECTOOL. >Also for ECTOOL (shareware) a Rebel Decade chess engine is available >(for >free) to analyse all your games automatically. For more info the direct >URL >is: http://www.rebel.nl/edindex.htm#ENGINES > >COMPUTER CHESS LEAGUE (or CCL) >------------------------------ >A new initiative to make computer chess even more attractive. On CCL the >world's best chess programs compete against each other. >The direct URL is: http://www.rebel.nl/edindex.htm#CCL > >The Rebel DIARY >--------------- >Here you can read about the latest developments on Rebel especially on >the >successor of Rebel9. It's a summary of the new and upcoming features >programmed sofar. Bottom line, there will be two new versions of Rebel, >a >Rebel 10.0 for Dos and a Rebel for Win95/NT. >The direct URL is: http://www.rebel.nl/edindex.htm#REBEL10 > >This will end the information of this email. If you have disliked this >email >or if you don't like to receive email from us in the future announcing >new >products, just let us know and we will remove your name from our mailing >list. > >Best regards, > >- Ed Schroder - >___________________________________________________________ > _____ _ _ >| _ \ | | | | WWW: http://www.rebel.nl >| |_| / ____| |__ ____| | Email: info@rebel.nl >| _ \/ _ ) _ \ / _ ) | >| | | | (/ (| |_| ( (/ (| |__ Italy, July 21-23 1998 >|_| |_|\____)____/ \____)____| Rebel versus Vishy Anand >___________________________________________________________
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