Author: Uri Blass
Date: 12:46:29 01/15/02
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On January 15, 2002 at 15:15:55, Bruce Moreland wrote: >On January 15, 2002 at 03:57:15, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On January 14, 2002 at 19:17:02, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>Hello , >>> >>>i see bookbuilder in cct4. that is an interface made by >>>Bas Hamstra sold to J.E.F. Kaan (who can't program at all) >>>and with crafty added sold as 'bookbuilder'. >>> >>>Now i see Jan Kaan join CCT4 with bookbuilder under the name 'djenghis 0.05'. >>> >>>He is mentioned as 'author' from Djenghis. >>> >>>This is not correct. >> >> >>Vincent, >> >>You impossibly can provide the evidence of your accusation, I suggest you move >>your suspect to the Tournament Director of CCT4, that is where it belongs. >> >>The moderators of CCC are not going to allow you to discredit the name of Mr. >>Kaan based on wild speculations. So it's either provide the evidence or stop >>now. >> >>Kindest regards, >> >>Ed Schroder >>CCC moderator > >With respect, I disagree with this. The factual accuracy of what someone is >saying shouldn't be an issue. The moderators should not be a court of law that >determined whether what someone says is true or false. > >"Put up or shut up" should be something the members say, not something the >moderators say. The club that the moderators wield is too heavy in this case. > >As a group, we need to be able to speak freely about issues that are important >to us. Sometimes, this might involve very contentious speech, which Vincent >seems to specialize in. > >I think that the charter is designed to protect us from stalkers and people who >can't stay within the bounds of civility. It's not designed to prevent us from >getting into arguments, disagreeing, or even accusing each other of things. > >I suggest that if Vincent makes a campaign out of this, it should go. If >someone is going to post the same thing every few days, they are obviously using >the forum as a vehicle for personal attack -- that's what a campaign is. I >don't see that happening here. > >If someone wants to say something nasty, I think they should go for it. I think >that the charter protects us from people would would follow us around sniping at >us, like the stuff that is happening in the other forum, but if someone is >displeased with someone, that's a valid topic. > >bruce I disagree We got a moderator email that asked to delete all the thread I thought to do it but it was not a clear case that I was sure to do it so I decided to discuss it with Ed and the decision was not to delete it. but to give Vincent a warning. My opinion is that people should not accuse each other by "facts" that they cannot prove and the question if the "facts" are right or wrong is not important.
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