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Subject: Re: The NPS Challenge =-= All over again........

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 00:12:14 02/14/02

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On February 14, 2002 at 02:46:36, Slater Wold wrote:
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>My main thinking here is:
>
>Rebel will more than likely win 75% of its games against Crafty in the 40/120.
>Now if Crafty can beat Rebel 75% of the time in the 40/12000, what does that
>show?  That Crafty is "rebel strength" when given a 100x time odds?  Or that
>simply HW = chess program performance?  Well, I think all that will be
>determined in the moves in makes in the time odds games.
>
>Little Goliath vs Shredder was something that GCP suggested.  LG is extremly
>fast, and from what I understand, not overly complex.  Shredder on the other
>hand is as slow as they come, and again, from what I understand, very complex.
>
>Does MHZ = ELO.  And if it does, how much?  Imagine the stink if Rebel were to
>win 75% in 40/120 and 75% in 40/12000.

I am guessing that Rebel is about 100 ELO stronger than crafty.  I also believe
(on scanty evidence based on the chess in 2010 experiment) that the advantage
vanishes at very long time control.  I think with 4x time odds at long time
control Crafty will be equal or stronger.  100x time controls probably won't
make for an interesting match except that it will take so long to play games
that randomness will be a big factor.

Suggestion:
Play a 4 game warmup match at 40 moves in 1 hour for both programs.
If you do play a long time control match, make it at least 4 games so that it is
not horribly affected by randomness (only savagely).

Of course, it is your machine and I don't have the right to condemn it to one
month of solid play.  But I expect that it would be as interesting as the KKKUP
matches and would get a big following.

Besides which, slow chess makes for the prettiest games.



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