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Subject: Re: Gulko's comments on the match

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 09:14:47 04/02/02

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On April 02, 2002 at 11:16:23, Otello Gnaramori wrote:

>On April 02, 2002 at 05:08:08, Martin Andersen wrote:
>
>>"I was totally unprepared to play against a modern playing program. My
>>experience from the mid-1990s turns out to have been completely irrelevant
>>today"
>>
>>This is a surprise to me. He didn't know that there has been a big increase in
>>playing strength for chess programs in the last 7-8 years, of course due to
>>faster hardware but also better software.
>
>Do you think that Gulko didn't know of the hardware and software progress...I
>seriously doubt about this, probably it's just a good excuse ?
>
>>Then I would say his score of 3-5 without preparation, is excellent.
>>
>>http://www.kasparovchess.com/serve/templates/folders/show.asp?p_docID=20790&p_docLang=EN
>>
>>
>>Martin.
>
>
>In this case he affirms that only playing anticomps and with well preparation he
>is going to prevail in some way and this is another 100 elo points for the comps
>IMHO.
>Humans are piece of cakes if Gulko is right... :)
>
>w.b.r.
>Otello


I think what he is saying is, that he needs a bit of time to get used to a new
way of thinking. Computers do not make tactical blunders, so the time he spent
looking for that was just wasted.

IMHO the rating of programs would drop 100-200 elo if the programs could enter
regular tournaments. The GMs would quickly discover some of their weaknesses,
they would learn good anti-comp strategies and would always be able to at least
draw the things.

Does a few more plies/speed change this?
I'm not sure, I don't think 2 plies means a lot in turns of better king safety,
pawn eval and what else in the eval().

I have often seen very strong programs become very passive in closed positions,
they simply do not steer clear of this, it means they might draw low-rated
playes who just happen to know a bit of anti-comp. strategy.

The fact is, that humans still have a far better positional eval than programs.
I think even low-rated (>1600) playes has a better positional understanding, but
they just get killed in tactics (probably why they can win with the fischer-move
rule:).
At some point the brute force will of cause prevail, since even a GM has a
*tactical limit*.

I was surprised that Gulko prased Hiarcs on the positional play, I wonder if
Hiarcs is that good in all types of positions ;)

-S.






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