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Subject: Re: Anti-GM - Is the Original Rebel Example Sound?

Author: blass uri

Date: 12:41:03 07/19/98

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On July 18, 1998 at 20:28:44, Howard Exner wrote:

>On July 18, 1998 at 03:52:14, blass uri wrote:
>
>>
>>On July 17, 1998 at 14:02:14, Howard Exner wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Here's what I'm getting in this position:
>>>1. Rxe6 fxe6 2. Bh6 a6 3. Bxa6 Qc7 4. Nxe6 Qc6 5. Bxb7 Qxb7 6. Re1 Qc6
>>>7. Qf3 Ne5 8. Ng7+ Kd8 9. Qe4 Bf6 10. Nc5
>>
>>after 7.Qf3 my programs play N7f6
>
>This move, N7f6 is better than what I proposed. I realize that most the
>computer programs will consider this quite hopeless for white now. But
>just to satisfy my curiousity do you mind if we continue on a bit.
>Does the next set of moves look reasonable to you.
>
>7 ...N7f6 8.Nac5 Rg8 9. Nd3

my programs play 7...N7f6 and 8...Rg8 but after Nd3 are not so optimistic like
before.

Uri

>
>We've come 9 moves from the original position and part of my assessment on this
>requence of moves is pretty well in line with what Bruce Moreland posted a while
>back that he spoke to Im's and one Gm and they said it was a complicated
>position. So Rxe6 does stir up a hornet's nest. But despite the high eval
>computers give to black for the resulting position the position does have
>that element of an uncastled black king. It is well sheilded by by its pieces
>but how will black undertake anything, given its pieces being preoccupied
>with sheilding the king? That's my reasoning for playing on a bit.
>
>After white plays Nac5 how would your programs autoplay this game out?
>Would they manage to keep building on Black's big material advantage?
>
>If the computers are correctly assessing the position now with the
>black king in the middle then I'll join Bob in saying the move, while
>complicating things, is nevertheless unsound. Ditto for agreeing with
>fca who started this thread.
>
>Also has anyone played the game out using Bh6 or Qa3 as the first move?
>After 9 moves of play in these lines what is the eval? That could save us time
>too as the original intent of this thread was to see if Rxe6 was any
>worse than other first choices. If other first choices were "losing"
>also then perhaps the entire example is the wrong choice, as fca
>originally suggested.
>
>Either way the verdict falls I'm enjoying analysing this position. Puzzles
>have always intiqued me and chess seems to have an unlimited supply of them.



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