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Subject: Re: Deep Junior forced to take null game in won position---BS

Author: Mark Young

Date: 15:40:01 04/25/02

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On April 25, 2002 at 18:35:37, Roy Eassa wrote:

>On April 25, 2002 at 18:33:30, Roy Eassa wrote:
>
>>On April 25, 2002 at 18:30:34, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>On April 25, 2002 at 18:24:11, Roy Eassa wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 25, 2002 at 18:14:26, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 25, 2002 at 17:54:45, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 25, 2002 at 17:40:43, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>.
>>>>>>Can you give a winning line for the final position.  I would be interested in
>>>>>>seeing a win since Junior couldn't seem to find one.
>>>>>>Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>GM Smirin says the games was lost. GM Smirin offerd his resignation to Shay.
>>>>>Shay Refused the Resignation and offerd draw. GM Smirin refused to take a draw
>>>>>in a lost position.....So the game will be replayed. In short DJ won the game,
>>>>>but for reasons only known to Shay he would not take the win. IMO the win is
>>>>>valid and he should of taken the win since GM Smirin was in a dead lost
>>>>>position, the Tech problems happend after the position was dead lost for GM
>>>>>Smirin.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It sounds like Shay offered to resign on Junior's behalf due to technical
>>>>problems, but Smirin refused the resignation.
>>>
>>>That is not what GM Smirin said on Kasparov.com....looking at what he said now
>>>in game window again....GM Smirin says Shay only offerd to count this as a
>>>draw...Shay never offerd to resign the game...why would he, Junior won. The
>>>above statement seems a correct account of what GM Smirin said on Kasparov.com.
>>
>>
>>You're right.  I wonder why Shay turned down Smirin's offer to resign?
>
>
>Oops, I remember why.  Junior had not shown that it knew how to win (although I
>suspect it would have found the win eventually).

Junior knows how to win this....the game was stopped....so no more moves were
played. The win is not hard for computers....unless you can show me something I
did not see.



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