Author: Mark Young
Date: 17:20:07 07/24/98
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On July 24, 1998 at 08:58:41, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On July 24, 1998 at 07:09:53, Tim Mirabile wrote: > >>I have two games with 10...Qc8, both went 11.d5 and white won quickly, but I >>have to assume Anand would have made a stronger followup with black. >> >>[Event "Tr.Lombardia serie A"] >>[Site "?"] >>[Date "1990.??.??"] >>[Round "09"] >>[White "Contini,Luca"] >>[Black "Bresciani,Nicola"] >>[Result "1-0"] >>[ECO "E12"] >> >>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. a3 Bb7 5. Nc3 d5 6. cxd5 Nxd5 7. Qc2 c5 8. e4 >>Nxc3 9. bxc3 Nd7 10. Bf4 Qc8 11. d5 exd5 12. exd5 Be7 13. d6 Bf6 14. Qe2+ Kf8 >>15. 0-0-0 h6 16. Ne5 g6 17. Ng4 Qd8 18. Nxf6 Qxf6 19. Qe7+ Qxe7 20. dxe7+ Kxe7 >>21. Bb5 Nf6 22. Bd6+ Ke6 23. Rhe1+ 1-0 >> >>[Event "we cup"] >>[Site "cr"] >>[Date "1989.??.??"] >>[Round "?"] >>[White "Pyrich"] >>[Black "Pampa"] >>[Result "1-0"] >>[ECO "E12"] >> >>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. a3 Bb7 5. Nc3 d5 6. cxd5 Nxd5 7. Qc2 c5 8. e4 >>Nxc3 9. bxc3 Nd7 10. Bf4 Qc8 11. d5 exd5 12. exd5 Bxd5 13. 0-0-0 Qb7 14. Bb5 >>0-0-0 15. Rxd5 1-0 >> >> >>On July 24, 1998 at 02:02:03, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>On July 24, 1998 at 01:29:39, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>> >>>>On July 23, 1998 at 20:56:41, Mark Young wrote: >>>>>The move 10.. Qc8 is a very strong novelty. I have not found a way to refute >>>>>this move. I wonder if GM Anand found this over the board, or it was some kind >>>>>of home preparation. >>>> >>>>The move is NO novelty ! >>>>CSTal has it in its book, and in my datases i have 3 games that were all won >>>>by white. In my reference games 11.d5 was played. >>>>If anand would have played against cstal, it would have played d5 out of book. >>> >>>Is the move some what new. I did not find any games with it. I looked at over >>>750,000 games. Could you post the games with this move. Does the games you have >>>show whites as being better out of the opening? The move seem to be very strong. >>>I wonder why it has not been played more. > > >I checked this out also. In my book, made up of over 660,000 games, 11. d4 is >not present. Two comments: > >1. As white I'm not sure I would toss that pawn. There is compensation, but >computers are much better at grabbing a sacrificed pawn and holding on to it for >dear life than they are at offering a pawn and then pressing the advantage they >accrue from doing so. > >2. If d4 was in my book, in "tournament mode" I would not play it because >crafty does a shallow (1/10th normal search time) search to make sure it isn't >about to play a "lemon" that slipped into the book. In this case, the eval for >11. d5 is -.55 thru 14 plies, so it would conclude "bummer" and resort to a >normal search not playing the book line. > >I'd suspect if it has been played 3 times and all were wins (Tim's were very >short wins with what appeared to be blunders by black in both) then some GM's >have looked at it and decided it was not sound, and are simply waiting for >someone to try it on them to reveal what they found. :) You must be right. I can't see Anand playing Qc8 if d5 is so strong. I let fritz 5 play out a game after 10 .. Qc8 11 d5, Fritz thought d5 was crushing but I sure GM Anand must know something that Fritz 5 is just missing. Or why else play it.
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