Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 16:55:45 07/25/98
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On July 25, 1998 at 11:04:40, Shaun Graham wrote: >"At 40/2 they are not GM yet, but they are pretty close, and if the human GM >doesn't take care, he can get rolled up pretty badly, since the computer is >going to be quite attentive toward the least tactical mistake, where another >human might miss it entirely. The better they (the programs) get, the harder >it will be to attract human GM players to play them." > >(A quote from Robert Hyatt) > > He says "pretty close" now, that's not what my memory recalls him saying. Depends on your definition of "pretty close". I have said "FIDE 2400" for quite a while now. Which is still a ways from the minimum 2500 needed for a GM title. >Regardless of that however, what does it mean? "Pretty close" to a Shirov? >Certainly not. "Pretty close" to a Kaidanov or Gulko? Hmm almost certainly >not. "Pretty close" to a Kempinsky, Groszpeter, or Morovic(GMs you have >probably never heard of)? Well the truth is that these latter GM's would have >(probably) been toasted by Rebel 10 if they had played it 2 40/2 games. >Regardless of what statistics say how often would you think Anand fails to beat >2500 rated GMs? And i do mean beat them handily, not a situation where everyone >is wondering who is winning as occurred during the Anand Rebel 40/2 games. Now >of course the draw that Rebel got could have been luck, it could have even been >the 1 out of however many games a "maybe weak IM"(Robert Hyatt, 1998) might have >been statistically expected to draw in a match with a GM of Anand's caliber(more >games are certainly needed to be definitive). Anands caliber bieng World >Champion caliber. To illustrate what i mean by this(World Champion Caliber) i >will quote Kasparov reffering to another GM. > >"I had a big discussion with my seconds over lunch about whether to play my new >plan against Shaked. I would have preferred to see another player's face across >the board after 13...Rd8--not necessarily Karpov, >but ANY STRONG PLAYER. IT WAS lIKE USING AN ATOM BOMB TO SHOOT BIRDS."(Inside >chess magazine) > > The so called bird, that Kasparov is reffering to is none other than the >current WORLD junior champion GM Tal Shaked. Perhaps Kasparov is using a bit >of bravado(??). Hmm nope Shaked stood no chance whatsoever. Yet we have just >been witness to a match where a program (Rebel 10), first drew a game, and then >put up an amazingly staunch resistance, so staunch in fact that Anand famous for >his speed used as much time as his computer opponent. When we see such a >performance against a player of "WORLD CHAMPION CALIBER" by said program we can >definitely feel safe in positing the likelyhood that programs such as >rebel10/Fritz5 are indeed GM strength. Especially when we can feel certain that >if we took the weakest GM and paired him against the mighty Anand the outcome of >the match would have indeed in all likelyhood been far far more clear. You can stick with your opinion, of course. And I will stick with mine. I simply see too many holes at present, in the micros. They have their moments, and Rebel certainly played well. But I'd still bet on Anand, after giving him a few games to see how it plays.... Unless you talk about fast games. I just did some history tests on ICC and found that, for example, that Crafty is winning 3 of every 4 games from GM Dlugy... that means Dlugy+200 for a rating estimate. But that is blitz. I have similar results against Yasser, Roman, etc... But 40/2 is something else... and I watched an IM (A pretty good one) rip Rebel 9 badly in two games today. I don't know what kind of hardware, however, as the rebel user was logged on as a guest. But this particular IM is quite good against computers... I have been playing another IM some long games on ICC and am breaking even pretty much, although I (Crafty) can totally shred him at 5 3 and so forth...
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