Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 16:09:56 06/04/02
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On June 04, 2002 at 13:59:46, Dann Corbit wrote: a few days ago ICSVN2: Tiger - DIEP 0-1 : See the score jumps when the preprocessor of the tiger makes mistakes. Especially watch how knowledgeable tiger is when score jumps after queen exchange :) 1 e2-e4 (1:30:00,1:30:00) 1.. c7-c5 (1:30:00,1:29:59) book 2 Ng1-f3 (1:29:37,1:29:59) 2.. d7-d6 (1:29:37,1:29:59) book 3 d2-d4 (1:29:29,1:29:59) 3.. c5xd4 (1:29:29,1:29:59) book 4 Nf3xd4 (1:29:17,1:29:59) 4.. Ng8-f6 (1:29:17,1:29:59) book 5 Nb1-c3 (1:29:06,1:29:59) 5.. a7-a6 (1:29:06,1:29:59) book 6 Bc1-g5 (1:28:53,1:29:59) 6.. e7-e6 (1:28:53,1:29:59) book 7 f2-f4 (1:28:38,1:29:59) 7.. Qd8-b6 (1:28:38,1:29:58) book 8 Qd1-d2 (1:28:29,1:29:58) 8.. Qb6xb2 (1:28:29,1:29:58) book 9 Ra1-b1 (1:28:17,1:29:58) 9.. Qb2-a3 (1:28:17,1:29:58) book 10 f4-f5 (1:28:04,1:29:58) 10.. Nb8-c6 (1:28:04,1:29:58) book 11 f5xe6 (1:27:53,1:29:58) 11.. f7xe6 (1:27:53,1:29:58) book 12 Nd4xc6 (1:27:43,1:29:58) 12.. b7xc6 (1:27:43,1:29:58) book 13 e4-e5 (1:27:32,1:29:58) 13.. Nf6-d5 (1:27:32,1:29:58) book 14 Nc3xd5 (1:27:07,1:29:58) 14.. c6xd5 (1:27:07,1:29:58) book 15 Bf1-e2 (1:26:56,1:29:58) 15.. d6xe5 (1:26:56,1:29:58) book 16 O-O (1:26:38,1:29:58) 16.. Ra8-a7 (1:26:38,1:29:58) book 17 c2-c4 (1:26:27,1:29:58) 17.. Qa3-c5 (1:26:27,1:29:58) book 18 Kg1-h1 (1:26:16,1:29:58) 18.. d5-d4 (1:26:16,1:29:57) book 19 Be2-h5 (1:26:05,1:29:57) 19.. g7-g6 (1:26:05,1:29:57) book 20 Bh5-d1 (1:25:52,1:29:57) 20.. Bf8-e7 (1:25:52,1:29:57) book 21 Bd1-a4 (1:25:41,1:29:57) 21.. Ke8-d8 (1:25:41,1:29:57) book 22 Rf1-f7 (1:25:30,1:29:57) 22.. h7-h6 (1:25:30,1:29:57) book 23 Bg5xh6 (1:25:19,1:29:57) 23.. e5-e4 (1:25:19,1:29:57) book 24 Bh6-e3 (1:25:05,1:29:57) 24.. e6-e5 (1:25:05,1:29:57) book 25 Be3-g5 (1:24:54,1:29:57) 25.. e4-e3 (1:24:54,1:29:57) book 26 Bg5xe3 (1:24:40,1:29:57) 26.. Rh8-h5 (1:24:40,1:29:57) book 27 Rf7-g7 (1:24:27,1:29:57) 27.. Ra7-b7 (1:24:27,1:24:57) 0.00 11 39895611 04:47 0 0 38318529 (2687471) 11 0.004 Ra7-b7 Rb1-e1 Bc8-e6 Ba4-d1 Rh5-f5 Bd1-g4 Be6xc4 Bg4xf5 g6xf5 Be3-g5 e5-e4 Bg5xe7 Rb7xe7 28 Rb1-b3 (1:21:28,1:24:57) 28.. Rh5-f5 (1:21:28,1:22:00) 0.12 11 23910654 01:42 0 0 13477440 (3049262) 10 0.116 Rh5-f5 Rg7xg6 Rf5-f1 Be3-g1 Rb7-b4 Rb3xb4 Qc5xb4 Qd2xb4 Be7xb4 Ba4-c2 Rf1-a1 Rg6-b6 29 Rg7-g8 (1:16:26,1:22:00) 29.. Rf5-f8 (1:16:26,1:19:09) 0.13 12 24121930 01:30 0 0 12589189 (2391315) 11 0.127 Rf5-f8 Rg8xg6 Rb7-c7 Be3-g1 Qc5xc4 Qd2-a5 Qc4-c5 Qa5-e1 Qc5-d5 Rb3-b8 Be7-d6 Ba4-b3 Qd5-c5 30 Rg8xf8 (1:16:06,1:19:09) 30.. Be7xf8 (1:16:06,1:16:24) 0.37 13 25948142 02:27 0 0 23257638 (2576274) 12 0.371 Be7xf8 Be3-g5 Bf8-e7 Bg5xe7 Rb7xe7 Qd2-f2 Kd8-c7 Qf2-f6 Re7-e6 Qf6-g7 Qc5-e7 Qg7-h8 Re6-f6 Rb3-f3 Bc8-f5 31 Be3-g5 (1:11:51,1:16:24) 31.. Bf8-e7 (1:11:51,1:16:24) 0.52 13 39894064 01:16 0 0 11800362 (5578047) 12 0.515 Bf8-e7 h2-h4 Rb7-c7 Qd2-d3 Bc8-f5 Qd3-g3 Kd8-c8 Bg5xe7 Rc7xe7 Qg3-f3 e5-e4 Qf3-f4 32 Bg5xe7 (1:07:08,1:16:24) 32.. Rb7xe7 (1:07:08,1:13:45) 0.61 13 24197741 00:00 0 0 108 (0) 12 0.610 Rb7xe7 Qd2-f2 Kd8-c7 Qf2-f8 e5-e4 Rb3-b1 e4-e3 Ba4-c2 Bc8-f5 Bc2xf5 g6xf5 33 Qd2-h6 (1:04:56,1:13:45) 33.. Re7-f7 (1:04:56,1:11:42) 0.63 12 17948195 00:26 0 0 3900453 (45107) 11 0.626 Re7-f7 h2-h3 Rf7-f6 Rb3-b1 e5-e4 Qh6-h4 Qc5-e7 Qh4-h8 Kd8-c7 Rb1-d1 Qe7-e5 Ba4-e8 34 Qh6-h8 (1:00:41,1:11:42) 34.. Qc5-f8 (1:00:41,1:09:27) 1.56 13 21226849 01:30 0 0 14670665 (1922994) 13 1.561 Qc5-f8 Qh8-h4 Kd8-c7 h2-h3 Rf7-f1 Kh1-h2 Qf8-f4 Qh4xf4 Rf1xf4 Rb3-g3 Bc8-f5 Rg3-f3 Rf4xf3 g2xf3 Bf5-e6 Ba4-b3 Be6-f5 Kh2-g3 Kc7-c6 35 Qh8-h4 (0:47:58,1:09:27) 35.. Kd8-c7 (0:47:58,1:09:27) 2.15 16 123514109 07:05 0 0 68593841 (2067996) 15 2.154 Kd8-c7 h2-h3 Rf7-f1 Kh1-h2 Qf8-f4 Qh4xf4 Rf1xf4 Ba4-e8 Bc8-f5 Rb3-b2 d4-d3 g2-g4 Rf4xc4 g4xf5 Rc4-c2 Rb2xc2 d3xc2 36 h2-h3 (0:43:33,1:09:27) 36.. Rf7-f1+ (0:43:33,1:09:27) 2.84 15 47147967 02:57 0 0 33249999 (4832442) 15 2.843 Rf7-f1 Kh1-h2 Qf8-f4 Qh4xf4 Rf1xf4 Kh2-g3 Bc8-f5 Rb3-b2 Rf4-f1 Kg3-h4 Rf1-c1 Ba4-b3 Kc7-d6 Kh4-g5 e5-e4 g2-g4 Rc1-g1 37 Kh1-h2 (0:43:26,1:09:27) 37.. Qf8-f4+ (0:43:26,1:07:39) 2.84 15 18434211 00:00 0 0 70 (0) 15 2.843 Qf8-f4 Qh4xf4 Rf1xf4 Kh2-g3 Bc8-f5 Rb3-b2 Rf4-f1 Kg3-h4 Rf1-c1 Ba4-b3 Kc7-d6 Kh4-g5 e5-e4 g2-g4 Rc1-g1 38 Qh4xf4 (0:41:54,1:07:39) 38.. Rf1xf4 (0:41:54,1:07:18) 2.84 14 23358520 00:00 0 0 35 (0) 13 2.843 Rf1xf4 Kh2-g3 Bc8-f5 Rb3-b2 Rf4-f1 Kg3-h4 Rf1-c1 Ba4-b3 Kc7-d6 Kh4-g5 e5-e4 g2-g4 39 Kh2-g3 (0:39:49,1:07:18) 39.. Bc8-f5 (0:39:49,1:07:18) 3.44 14 26955263 01:28 0 0 19234463 (3150144) 13 3.442 Bc8-f5 Rb3-b2 g6-g5 Kg3-h2 d4-d3 Ba4-b3 e5-e4 g2-g3 e4-e3 g3xf4 e3-e2 Rb2-b1 d3-d2 40 Rb3-f3 (0:38:24,1:07:18) 40.. Rf4xf3+ (0:38:24,1:05:26) 3.26 14 27255883 01:37 0 0 23804204 (4726483) 13 3.263 Rf4xf3 g2xf3 Kc7-d6 Ba4-e8 g6-g5 Be8-f7 Kd6-c5 Bf7-d5 d4-d3 Kg3-f2 Kc5-d4 Kf2-e1 Kd4-e3 Bd5-b7 41 g2xf3 (0:32:01,1:05:26) 41.. Kc7-d6 (0:32:01,1:05:26) 3.82 15 91982238 04:09 0 0 59130318 (4967641) 15 3.816 Kc7-d6 Ba4-e8 g6-g5 h3-h4 g5xh4 Kg3xh4 Bf5-c2 Kh4-g3 d4-d3 Be8-g6 Bc2-b1 Kg3-f2 d3-d2 Kf2-e2 d2-d1Q Ke2xd1 42 Ba4-e8 (0:30:32,1:05:26) 42.. g6-g5 (0:30:32,1:05:06) 3.82 14 10482160 00:00 0 0 33 (0) 13 3.816 g6-g5 h3-h4 g5xh4 Kg3xh4 Bf5-c2 Kh4-g3 d4-d3 Be8-g6 Bc2-b1 Kg3-f2 d3-d2 Kf2-e2 43 Be8-f7 (0:28:06,1:05:06) 43.. Kd6-c5 (0:28:06,1:03:17) 4.04 14 25498237 01:27 0 0 20994560 (1482635) 14 4.039 Kd6-c5 Kg3-f2 Bf5xh3 Kf2-e1 d4-d3 Ke1-d2 Kc5-d4 Bf7-g6 g5-g4 f3xg4 e5-e4 Bg6xe4 Kd4xe4 g4-g5 44 Kg3-f2 (0:23:54,1:03:17) 44.. Kc5-b4 (0:23:54,1:03:17) 4.67 15 56521681 02:13 0 0 30160797 (1228444) 14 4.667 Kc5-b4 Bf7-g8 Bf5xh3 Kf2-e1 a6-a5 Bg8-f7 a5-a4 c4-c5 Bh3-d7 Ke1-f2 a4-a3 c5-c6 Bd7xc6 Bf7-g6 45 Bf7-g8 (0:22:35,1:03:17) 45.. Bf5xh3 (0:22:35,1:02:51) 5.38 15 22200205 00:09 0 0 2131680 (4214) 14 5.381 Bf5xh3 Bg8-d5 Bh3-f5 Bd5-f7 g5-g4 f3xg4 Bf5xg4 Bf7-d5 d4-d3 Kf2-e3 Kb4-c3 c4-c5 d3-d2 Bd5-b3 a6-a5 c5-c6 a5-a4 Bb3xa4 46 Kf2-e1 (0:22:08,1:02:51) 46.. Kb4-c3 (0:22:08,1:01:06) 5.75 15 20654992 00:51 0 0 10490687 (926541) 14 5.751 Kb4-c3 c4-c5 d4-d3 Bg8-b3 g5-g4 Ke1-f2 g4xf3 Kf2xf3 Kc3-d4 c5-c6 e5-e4 Kf3-g3 Bh3-f5 Kg3-f4 Bf5-c8 Bb3-d1 a6-a5 a2-a3 e4-e3 Kf4-f3 Bc8-h3 a3-a4 47 c4-c5 (0:17:45,1:01:06) 47.. d4-d3 (0:17:45,1:01:06) 5.90 15 47685619 04:18 0 0 46835634 (8356273) 15 5.896 d4-d3 Ke1-f2 Bh3-d7 Bg8-b3 Kc3-d4 Bb3-d1 g5-g4 f3xg4 e5-e4 a2-a3 e4-e3 Kf2-f1 Bd7-b5 g4-g5 e3-e2 Bd1xe2 d3xe2 Kf1-f2 Kd4xc5 48 Ke1-f2 (0:17:02,1:01:06) 48.. Bh3-d7 (0:17:02,1:00:08) 6.51 15 13310376 00:29 0 0 5516078 (1125736) 14 6.506 Bh3-d7 Bg8-b3 a6-a5 Bb3-d5 d3-d2 Bd5-b3 a5-a4 Bb3xa4 Bd7xa4 c5-c6 d2-d1Q c6-c7 Qd1-d2 Kf2-f1 Qd2xa2 c7-c8Q Qa2-c4 Qc8xc4 Kc3xc4 49 Bg8-d5 (0:16:00,1:00:08) 49.. d3-d2 (0:16:00,0:58:28) 9.19 14 15847088 01:13 0 0 11744830 (2673596) 13 9.194 d3-d2 Bd5-b3 Kc3-b2 Kf2-e3 Kb2-c1 Ke3-f2 a6-a5 a2-a4 Bd7-e6 Bb3xe6 d2-d1Q c5-c6 Qd1-c2 Kf2-g3 Qc2xc6 Be6-b3 Kc1-b2 50 Bd5-b3 (0:15:40,0:58:28) 50.. Kc3-b2 (0:15:40,0:57:09) 9.31 14 11617427 01:10 0 0 10665309 (367625) 14 9.315 Kc3-b2 Kf2-e3 Kb2-c1 Ke3-f2 a6-a5 a2-a4 Bd7-e6 Bb3xe6 d2-d1Q c5-c6 Qd1-c2 Kf2-g3 Qc2xc6 Be6-b3 Kc1-b2 Bb3-d1 51 Kf2-e3 (0:15:25,0:57:09) 51.. Kb2-c1 (0:15:25,0:55:49) 9.31 14 14707063 00:00 0 0 48 (0) 13 9.315 Kb2-c1 Ke3-f2 a6-a5 a2-a4 Bd7-e6 Bb3xe6 d2-d1Q c5-c6 Qd1-c2 Kf2-g3 Qc2xc6 Be6-b3 Kc1-b2 Bb3-d1 52 Ke3-e4 (0:15:14,0:55:49) 52.. a6-a5 (0:15:14,0:54:16) 9.50 12 10953611 00:40 0 0 5399812 (1265495) 11 9.495 a6-a5 a2-a4 Bd7-c6 Bb3-d5 d2-d1Q Bd5xc6 g5-g4 Bc6-e8 g4xf3 Be8-g6 Qd1xa4 Ke4-e3 Kc1-b2 c5-c6 >On June 04, 2002 at 10:49:00, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On June 04, 2002 at 08:54:57, José Carlos wrote: >> >>What i read in Dann's words is he is more believing in search >>rather than the knowledge. If that's the case then i think he is >>wrong. > >Chess Tiger shows that search *IS* knowledge. However, it is a different kind >of knowledge. > >There will always be ways to improve the search. There will always be ways to >improve the eval. Both ways are paths to a better program. To give up one >either path forever means that your program is not as good as it could be. > >Optimze the path. Optimize the eval. Optimize the path. Optimize the eval. > >Maybe you are better at optimization of the evaluation function. Quite frankly, >most programmers do not have your chess knowledge. If anything, they should >spend more energy in the search. After all, how can they inject a 2500 ELO >evaluation into their program if they cannot play at 2500? On the other hand, >writing a better algorithm has a lot of possibilities. So even someone who is >not a chess genius can do that. > >Of course, the chess knowledge can be gleaned from somewhere else (chess books, >friends who are GM's -- whatever). > >My point is that to stop development in any dimention is a mistake. There will >always be room for improvement until the program is perfect. Since it will >never be perfect, we won't run out of things to do. > >[snip]
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