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Subject: Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 08:36:09 07/08/02

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On July 08, 2002 at 06:25:57, Daniel Clausen wrote:

>On July 08, 2002 at 02:28:03, Slater Wold wrote:
>
>>On July 08, 2002 at 00:32:42, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On July 06, 2002 at 20:15:06, stuart taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I suspect that search may see that the right move help to push the opponent king
>>>>>closer to the corner relative to the wrong moves and it may be enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>Yes, that looks like the best thing to try and work on, doesn't it?
>>>>
>>>>If not, can I ask two questions?:
>>>>1)What should be done during the near future to push computer elo forward as
>>>>much as possible?
>>>>2)If Deeper blue was really much stronger than todays tops, what was that due
>>>>to? Better long-term planning? Seeing deeper?
>>>>S.Taylor
>>>
>>>
>>>Huge speed.
>>>
>>>It was doing most things worse than the best micro programs, but it was doing it
>>>so fast that it was eventually stronger.
>>>
>>>Hum... Let me rephrase for the sensitive people out there. There was nothing
>>>Deep Blue did better than the best micro programs. But it was so fast that it
>>>allowed it to hide its defficiencies.
>>>
>>>Shit. That's not very diplomatic either. Let's try again: Deep Blue was build
>>>around a concept outdated by 2 decades but fortunately it was so fast that
>>>nobody noticed until their creators published their paper.
>>>
>>>Oops... OK, once again:
>>>
>>>Bob likes Deep Blue a lot, and that should be a reason good enough to convince
>>>you that it was well designed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Christophe  ;-)
>>
>>I too am a DB fan.  Just like Bob.
>>
>>But I actually agree with you here.  I don't think DB did anything
>>*spectacular*.
>>
>>But I also know that Program X will be a _LOT_ stronger on hardware 100,000x
>>times faster than anyone else has.  No matter how horrible the software side is.
>
>Sheesh, you guys! Of course they did something spectacular! But it's the
>software/hardware package that plays chess, not just the software alone! And
>they didn't buy the hardware around the corner, as you do with your PC. They
>designed it!
>
>It's obvious that you guys seem to honour work in the software more than work in
>the hardware. Adding feature X in the software is something great, but designing
>DB's hardware which was Y time faster (Y being 200 and more) is "just faster
>hardware". A bit unfair. :)
>
>Sargon


OOhhhhh...  a good "counterpoint".  But it will fall on deaf ears, I
predict.  After all, DB was inferior in every way except for speed and
results.  And we all know results don't mean a thing..  it is _how_ you get
those results that count...  At least to some, apparently...




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