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Subject: Re: Chess Programmers -- take note: M. N. J. van Kervinck's Master's Thesis

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 08:42:55 08/20/02

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On August 20, 2002 at 11:24:52, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>*) The fact that it is readable to the average laymen is not a requirement of a
>>thesis.
>
>But increases it's value greatly.

Unfortunately it is completely impossible in most areas, who other than science
students would know what a Hessian matrix is, or how to solve a differential
equation. I couldn't write my thesis without it, so I expect it not to be a
formal requirement of any kind.

>>And I find it very insulting to give a masters degree on the basis of such >junk, some of us actually work hard for that degree you know.
>
>This is very common. A Masters was awarded to Andy Van De Putte
>by the RUG, for Mat(h). It was a Java chess program that did not contain
>any new idea (contrary to 'blik'), and was weak and buggy. The promotor
>(Veerle Fack) did not understand even the very basics of alphabeta.
>
>Compared to this, Marcel is a genius. The level in most computer science
>departments that deal with AI is of a completely laughable level.
>
>I don't like this situation either. I did physics. Most of the computer
>chess papers would have provoked a 'is this a joke' question from my
>professors. Yet, all those people are getting masters degrees.

I realize there are different standards across the scientific branches, but I
see no original contribution from the author in this case.
If this *is* the standard for computer science, or whatever the masters was in,
then I need to apologize, but I would be very disappointed if that was the case.

>I find it amazing that you are attacking Marcel, when his work wasn't
>really that bad. I *wish* there were more 'bad' publications like this.

There is nothing wrong with the paper as such, it reminds me of Bruce's tutorial
which I like more than most official papers, but to give a masters for it I
actually find offensive. It degrads my masters (when I get it) in some way.

>I think that if you read through a few ICCA journals, you would
>realize that I was being far more objective than you might think.
>
>The level of most publications there is far below this thesis.

Haven't read them, but then I wouldn't expect them to get a degree for it.

-S.
>--
>GCP



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