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Subject: Re: Chess Programmers -- take note: M. N. J. van Kervinck's Master's Thesis

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 11:21:15 08/21/02

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On August 21, 2002 at 13:49:06, Mogens Larsen wrote:

>On August 21, 2002 at 11:52:06, Sune Fischer wrote:
>
>>For physics? Show me.
>
>Just follow your own link and read under thesis for physics. Then you'll find:
>
>"Specialestudiet gennemføres normalt i tæt kontakt med en gruppe forskere og kan
>bestå i et afgrænset forskningsprojekt og/eller et kritisk litteraturstudium
>inden for et valgt fagområde. Studiet kan også gennemføres inden for (et af) de
>fysiske fags didaktik."
>
>That's pretty clear to me and comparable to other Danish universities.

I could find it, I ended up here, which states something a little different:

"Specialet består i udførelsen af et større eksperimentelt eller/og teoretisk
arbejde. Det udføres under personlig vejledning fra en forsker, og ved dets
afslutning udarbejdes en skriftlig afhandling om specialearbejdet. "

http://ntserv.fys.ku.dk/afg/NyAFG/frame.asp?afd=OL

>>First of all that is in mathematics, I'm not even sure they require a Master
>>project, rules change almost every year I think.
>
>I'm quite sure they do.

I don't think it's comparable to the one in physics, it's IIRC just a "minor"
project, like 1/4 to 1/2 year.

>>Second, do you call making a compendium doing theoretical work, because it says
>>experimental, analytical or theoretical study. Personally wouldn't translate
>>that to: the construction of a compendium.
>
>A compendium is just one of a variety of options. The thesis is in question is
>more comparable to a literary study and not really a compendium.
>
>>It needs a bit more substance, I saw 2-3 pages of real interesting stuff, the
>>rest is well known and just a compendium. Not a whole lot of work for 1 years
>>credit if you ask me.
>
>That may be the case. The question was if a similar thesis or thesis approach
>was possible in Denmark. The answer is yes without a doubt. Whether it would
>meet the scholastic requirements is another matter altogether.

Boy, you haven't been paying much attention then, it was the _standard_ I found
a bit low for a masters thesis.

>>After all we must assume he wrote the program for his thesis to _get the data_,
>>and not just for the fun of it, right ;)
>
>Or as a practical implementation of demonstrational value.

Which is a failure then, because it's not part of the thesis.
The thesis must stand alone, could be you did a lot of relevant work, but if
it's not represented in the thesis in some way then it's no good.

You see, you and your supervisor may have known how much work you did, but since
there is external cencur you need to provide proof of this _in_ the thesis
(unless you have a special arrangement where you somehow turn in the program
along with the thesis).

I did a similar mistake during my bachelor, so I know this very well.
I wrote a large program, with a cool GUI in GNOME, but how was I ever to get
credit for that when I couldn't get it in the paper?
It did produce lots of results, so it wasn't a total waste, should have saved
the time spent on the GUI, obviously.

-S.

>Regards,
>Mogens



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