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Subject: 44k copying

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 16:16:16 09/03/02

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here is your old email.

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:39:49 -0500 (CDT)
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Subject: Re: Some results with ABDADA

On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

> Crafty doesn't copy even 1/10 of the data you are copying!!
>


How much is he copying?  I copy about 44K bytes (the TREE
structure) to split.  With 4 processors, I copy it 4 times
when I split from 1 to 4 in the tree...





> At 11:01 AM 7/28/2002 +0200, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
> >
> >
> >On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Robert M. Hyatt wrote:
> >
> >> I disagree there.  It is a fraction of a percent, overall, during any
> >> search I have measured it on.  I don't copy a lot of data, since I
> >> can be selective...
> >
> >Does anyone have some concrete data on how evil it is to be copying
> >over lots of tree-state data on the common current x86 SMP architectures?
> >
> >(Assuming a design similar to DTS or PVS)
> >
> >Vincent has been trying to convince me this is a Very Evil Thing,
> >but I'm trying to assess what the impact is going from 4k to 1k or even to
> >+- 150 bytes.
> >
> >I've already done the first, but this includes quite a bit of
> >int->char->int conversions which I assume are also evil on current CPUs.
> >
> >The second would require a more through redesign.
> >
> >--
> >GCP
> >
> >
> >
>

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On September 03, 2002 at 16:33:12, Robert Hyatt wrote:




>On September 03, 2002 at 16:25:23, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>
>>On September 03, 2002 at 16:23:20, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>
>>>On September 03, 2002 at 16:10:33, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 03, 2002 at 15:56:10, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Wrong. Please re-read Vincent's message. "64k on Cray" *probably* was Bob's
>>>>>number, but "44k in Crafty" not -- at least I cannot deduce that from Vincent's
>>>>>message.
>>>>
>>>>I have it in personal email :)
>>>
>>>Does it says that all 44k are always copied? Because code definitely copies much
>>>less.
>>
>>I think that's what Robert implied (sorry, email is on another machine).
>>
>>But I agree with you that's not what looks like the code does.
>>
>>I just wanted to point out Vincent never made up the 44k number, it was
>>Robert that told Vincent that was his overhead.
>>
>>--
>>GCP
>
>
>Again, "max overhead".  Which might on rare occasions actually be hit.  Perhaps
>in fine 70 after several minutes, it might have to copy most of that stuff...
>
>This was when vincent was telling you your split overhead was too high, and
>I pointed out mine _could_ be significantly higher with no ill effects since
>fine 70 runs just "fine" on my box.. :)



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