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Subject: Re: Hyper Threading and Chess

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:32:52 12/30/02

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On December 30, 2002 at 20:29:11, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On December 30, 2002 at 19:39:23, Frank Koenig wrote:
>
>>Two questions.
>>
>>One) Will Intel's HT technology be able to help chess programs above and beyond
>>just allowing one CPU to appear as two?
>>
>>Second) If you are running XP, will HT require XP Pro instead of XP Home to take
>>advantage of it?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Frank
>
>For dual machines you need even newer releases of OSes to still get
>released.
>
>However you can profit from it in a very limited way. It's a speedup of
>18% for DIEP at the latest P4 (3.06Ghz), at older P4s the profit is less
>(like P4 Xeon 2.8Ghz) and even older P4s the profit is zero or negative.

Any chance you will _ever_ "test before talking"?

The 2.8 xeon has the _same_ SMT core as the PIV/3.06.  The _same_ means
"the same", not "something that is not as good as."

That is simply a crock statement that is nonsense.  From _testing_ on
my part...


>
>So it's progressing but the P4 is a processor not really mature enough:
>too little trace cache and too little datacache: just 1024 quadwords;


So?  12K micro-ops.  8kb data.  Core-speed L2 cache with 512KB unified
cache.  Seems to work quite well in all the testing I have done.



>compare with the 64KB L1 data cache of a K7 which is i guess 16384
>doublewords.


what is with all the quadword/doubleword nonsense?

I think _most_ here can figure out what 64 KB turns into in your favorite
data size...




>
>It's already having a very small L1 cache and trace cache compared to
>the L1 of the K7 (128KB) and now you have to divide that by 2 again.
>
>So that isn't very positive yet.
>
>Let's wait for the future if we can see bigger profits. In which case it
>gets very interesting of course.



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