Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 12:30:50 01/13/03
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On January 13, 2003 at 14:08:52, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On January 13, 2003 at 12:00:49, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On January 13, 2003 at 11:05:05, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On January 13, 2003 at 08:51:47, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>> >>>>On January 12, 2003 at 22:32:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>I have every game Crafty ever >>>>>played. >>>>> >>>> >>>>:) >>>> >>>>(...) >>>> >>>>[sic!] >>>> >>>>:) >>>> >>>> >>>>Rolf Tueschen >>> >>>I am not sure what you are trying to say. ICC emails me _every_ game played. >>>When I >>>lost all the files several years ago, ICC re-sent me every Crafty game in their >>>database, which >>>got almost all except for some against low-rated players. >>> >>>Vincent's games are certainly in there... >>> >>>The games were on my ftp site, I'll see if I can get them back. >> >>Please do it. Would be fun for those who have no ICC. I have part of the >>database but with those terrible n-versions because of earlier broken contact >>etc. Of course it's also funny to know who lost contact, in what position and >>how often. Anyway, almost all lost almost all their games... >> >>The meaning above was just a result of careful reading and common sense. Of >>course I know what you meant. It was also a broad hint to be not too harsh with >>Vincent and his version of logical reasoning. It's not so easy after all. I >>prefer that he makes mistakes instead of behaving like a coward and hiding >>behind a wall silence which is a general misbehaviour so to speak. Perhaps I >>misinterprete your sayings but it seems as if you would take it as a form of >>character defect, but to me it's simply lack of basic knowledge. - However I can >>easily talk when I am not one of Vincent's goals. Nevertheless I would like to >>see you in the role of the friendly Dr who shows patience to all no matter how >>deeply they are mistaken. - Both tasks need a wise man: helping laymen and also >>explaining the basics to already big "experts in a narrow field". In both cases >>I see great importance in the description of interdependencies with the history >>of computer chess and the basis of real science. I would also say that correct >>style of debate is nothing that we are born with and common sense is often >>illogical. If not for Vincent it would surely help the silent readers if all >>kind of errors would simply be corrected without a personal reference. That >>would send the message, here you can also make mistakes, but you are not >>executed afterwards. Without mistakes many things could not be explained, so >>that we had to invent them if they wouldn't exist by nature. Excuse the sermon, >>we have a mountain of snow and I couldn't catch some fresh air yet. :) >> >>Rolf Tueschen > >My only complaint, at the moment, is that Vincent has totally ignored my >challenge >of his nonsense. On ICC he has been suggesting that he has someone that would >be >perfect to play 1997 crafty. When _his_ statement here was about _him_ >playing... > >Is it any wonder it is so hard to communicate with him? Not for you if you take much of what he says as a continual notabene that he's a good chessplayer. That alone is almost forcing him into an attitude of 'Know all better than you'. I'm sure that he's very realistic in his relations with real masters! Although - I remember quie well that he stated that he would have time enough to qualify for the IM title at last. I fogot when it was? In computerchess he sees no competition, compared to his chess. Now you should simply take him as a kid for the rest of his statements. A very talented kid. But somewhere in the past he simply missed the nessecary education in logic etc. (He's also a bit infected by the somewhat special and impolite behavior of Jan Louwman [who had a concrete reason for it, because this way he could hide his trauma of the Nazis killing his family!])... But since it's not your kid and also not your student, you could take him for what he is. Again, I find it a thousand times better to speak openly instead of hiding - what he could also do with his already long history of DIEP. Sure he has no titles yet but he's also not bad, I mean DIEP. I know many examples for this 'first talking and then thinking long moments afterwards'. But here it might be a learned habit in special in a most loved hobby. Here, where you feel yourself at ease with your friends, you can also speak absolutely without serious self-control. You want to have fun. You don't want to be reminded of the time-consuming school topics. It's like a dreamworld. But much more serious and elevated than just 'Space Invaders' or such. But of course you are right. There is a frightening contradiction between certain foolish statements and Vincent's almost scientifical elaborations. I do also see a dangerous problem in his attitude of arrogance in his contacts with lays like me. This is also a proof for his complete lack of respect for scientific basics. I know that this is crap but I wished that by chance he could get some lectures in those basics. Now it's still possible. Let's see, don't you have a possibility to study for him? Or what would you tell your own son? If you had something concrete, we should continue this via email and also talking to Vincent in personal. I think you should do that because... BTW what is new with the idea to hold a tournament in the USA in the near future? It's strange that there are almost no contacts between Europe and America. Ok, except those people with already a dissertation and academic careers in mind. There is also a strange difference between the continents what talented programmers is concerned. Either you have less or you persuade all those to change into a more promissing direction. Any opinions? I think that this is not OT! Rolf Tueschen > > >> >> >> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>I notice that you first open your mouth, then start trying to backtrack to >>>>>get out of a deep hole, and then start making excuses... >>>> >>>>>No. _you_ said "I can easily beat 1997 programs." I say you are full >>>>>of crap. Now's your chance to prove that you can do what you say you can >>>>>do. I intend to prove you are as full of crap as a Christmas turkey.
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