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Subject: Re: Rating in ICC is meaningless and here is an example

Author: Miguel A. Ballicora

Date: 08:09:32 01/15/03

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On January 14, 2003 at 20:47:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On January 14, 2003 at 19:47:21, Uri Blass wrote:

[snip]

>>I do not suggest exactly how to do it and it seems that the problem does not
>>interest the ICC.
>
>
>ICC is not interested.  FIDE is not interested.  USCF is not interested. In
>fact, _no_ chess federation I know of does the initial rating differently than
>what is done today.


I told you already, FIDE does not do it in the same way.


>You are taking a rating as an absolute value.  It is _not_.  It is an
>estimate of how you would do against the group (pool) of players you compete
>in.  The current TPR approach is _exact_ in that regard.  Even if it has
>nothing to do with how you would do against other players.  I have _yet_ to
>see anyone suggest an alternative.  Just complaints about how it is done now.
>
>Without suggestions on a better way, complaints are not very useful...
>
>"I don't like that, fix it" is _not_ going to produce changes.


Please read my other message. First, you posted "I am waiting a real
suggestion". I did (in two messages), you ignored them. Uri mention another
possibility.


>>If ICC cares about creating a better rating system
>>They can give give 10000$ for the people who find the best rating system.
>
>I believe Elo did that a _long_ time back.  It has certainly stood the
>"test of time".

The theory yes, but the implementation is far from perfect and many people
suggested improvements, including Glickman and K. Thompson.

>>It seems that they do not care so they will not do it.
>>
>>I have also definition that we can compare based on it different rating systems.
>>A rating system should give the expected result in every game.
>>It is easy to use the sum of squares to find the practical error and the rating
>>system that gives the smallest error is the most logical rating to choose.
>>
>>Uri
>
>Can you spell "Elo"???

This is rather insulting. You are dealing with Uri and me like we are two
schoolboys and you are not more qualified than any of us in this matter. I do
not mind it if it comes with some content, but you are not even reading the
messages. Uri pointed out a problem and you come with the
"'I don't like that, fix it' is _not_ going to produce changes."
What? it is not possible to post anymore something about something that you do
not like? Before you find a solution, you have to identify a problem and discuss
about it. Not to mention, suggestions were provided.

Miguel







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