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Subject: Re: Kasparov-DJ Game 1 - Enough complaints

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 23:18:36 01/26/03

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On January 27, 2003 at 01:58:02, Bob Bachman wrote:

>What I cannot understand about the opinions expressed here about the Kasparov-DJ
>game is how quickly everyone gets on a soapbox and makes some obviously
>inappropriate comments, like why DJ is terrible, why another program should have
>taken DJ's place, how could the program play so bad, I will never buy a program
>that can play so bad, etc.

Yes, this is crap.

>These statements are all over reactions. I saw the same general thing after each
>game of the Kramnik-DF match. Let us step back a minute. Kasparov-DJ followed
>previous games until white's 13th move (although DJ apparently was out of book
>earlier). These previous games certainly are not convincing in White's
>superiority. So what do you expect the DJ team to do, anticipate TN's on
>Kasparov's part and adjust the book accordingly? Is the program (or any other
>program) good enough to anticipate these TN's many ply's in advance.
>
>To see how bad DJ's evaluation function is, why do we not play some engine
>matches with various black alternatives to 13 ... b5. I have a suspicion that
>these alternatives are not great for black (I am not good enough to make this
>statement however). Therefore it comes down to Kaspaov's superb insight or
>pre-match preparation. Take your pick, you got to love it. Personally I am
>ecstatic to be even able to watch such a match.

DJ lost.  Aside from this, neither it nor its team has anything to be ashamed
of.  Chess is a zero-sum game.  Sometimes you lose.  Losses are rarely pretty.
When computers lose, it's even more likely that you'll see something ugly,
because a computer will make the strongest move it can, not the strongest move
that is not embarassing.

bruce

>On another matter, I am continually amazed at all the conspiracy theorists who
>abound in this forum, on why this and previous matches results are pre-ordained.
>Why, is chess alone so crooked or is it all sport? If you believe this I think
>you fall into the Fischer thinking that all matches after 1972 were fixed. Give
>me a break. Players have egos and they want to win. Winning always means more
>money and more prestiege. Only when fear gets you, do you lose your fighting
>spirit and play for the draw.
>
>Enough of my rant. I prefer to watch the games, no matter what the outcome,
>enjoy them for what they are and then analyze thme and wait for the next game.
>What are the alternatives, no man-machine games at all. What we are are
>witnessing is what the group collectively dreams about, shouldn't we be happy.
>It is a golden time (even the mainstream media likes it).
>
>Bob



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