Author: Matt Taylor
Date: 21:39:57 02/18/03
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On February 18, 2003 at 17:35:00, Charles Worthington wrote: >On February 18, 2003 at 17:03:12, Matt Taylor wrote: > >>On February 18, 2003 at 12:53:14, Charles Worthington wrote: >> >>>On February 18, 2003 at 12:02:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On February 17, 2003 at 23:51:46, Charles Worthington wrote: >>>> >>>>>Bob please tell me that I didn't just spend 18,900$ on this Dual 3.06 xeon >>>>>ststem for no reason...I certainly hope there will be a significant performance >>>>>increase over the amd 2400mp and xp. The fastest AMD on playchess pulls around >>>>>2300 kns with deep fritz 7. I had hoped with dual 3.06 xeons and the new intel >>>>>E7505 chipset i would exceed 3000 kNs. Was this unreasonable of me to expect >>>>>this much speed? >>>> >>>> >>>>I hope you didn't really mean "18,900 dollars". >>>> >>>>Current prices are: >>>> >>>>dual 2.8xeon + chassis + 2gb RAM, plus 2 x 36 gig U320 15K scsi drives, plus the >>>>usual HD power supply, etc, for under $4,000. You mentioned 146 gig scsi >>>>drives. >>>>I bought three of those for my new ftp machine (there are no 15K 146 gig SCSI >>>>drives that I am aware of so you take a rotational latency performance hit by >>>>backing >>>>off to 10K) and paid just under $1,000 each at MicroWarehouse. >>>> >>>>If you meant 8,900, that is closer to reality, although it seems high to me >>>>looking at >>>>dell prices. >>>> >>>>I can't answer the speed issue with respect to fritz. Crafty on my dual 2.8 >>>>runs at about >>>>2.5M nodes per second. This is with the quad-pumped 100mhz (400mhz claimed) >>>>FSB. >>>>Newer xeons are quad-pumped 133mhz (533mhz claimed) and should be even faster. >>>>I'd >>>>suspect Crafty might get close to 3M on that machine, in a position where it >>>>gets 2.5M on >>>>mine. I have no idea whether fritz is faster or slower in raw NPS however... >>>My mistake...the drives are 10,000 RPM BOB but the price quote is correct. I >>>bought the machine with all available options including the 4GB RAM and filled >>>all hard drive bays with the largest drives. The biggest expense though was the >>>memory. around 4 thousand if i remember right >> >>WHAT?!? >> >>Last April, I paid $330 for 1 GB Reg/ECC pc2100 CL 3 ram. Prices have not risen >>-that- much. >> >>With 4 slots, that means I get up to 4 GB. I actually only get 3.5-3.8 GB with 4 >>1 GB DIMMs because of memory-mapped I/O. (Whether this is a limitation of the >>AMD chipset, the Athlon, or the hardware I do not know. I think it is likely >>that the Pentium 4 Xeon systems have similar limitations.) >> >>-Matt > > >The Memory in question Matt is the new DDR266 SDRAM. Prices at Dell.com are >cuurently in the $4,000.00 neighborhood for 4GB (1GB DIMMS). I thought it was >way expensive as well but far preferable in performance to the RDRAM I have in >my current Dell Machine. It is PC800 and is not the best of performers. Please explain. New? "DDR266" is the same thing as pc2100, the same thing as the ram I bought 10 months ago for $330. Four would cost $1,320, not $4,000. I am sure the pc800 ram would blow pc2100 DDR SDRAM away in some things. Maybe not chess, but in other things... -Matt
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