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Subject: Re: Education is a remedy not to be denied

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 07:54:45 02/20/03

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On February 20, 2003 at 10:31:57, Sune Fischer wrote:

>On February 20, 2003 at 09:27:24, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>>You spew out insults upon insults (please tell me that you are aware of that),
>>>and that sets the tone in the conversation.
>>>How do you expect me to be polite and adress the real interesting topic when you
>>>continuesly insult me, I see nothing but declarations of war in your posts, and
>>>I'm not in the mood for your little war games.
>>>
>>>A conversation between two adult intellectuals is done by trying arguments and
>>>_listening_ to the responses.
>>
>>
>>Wrong. Intellectuals first should have the minimum of education. Listening makes
>>no sense if you lack of education.
>
>How do you get educated if you don't listen?

Easy one. As I said. I am educated in stats. Your serve.



>
>>I'm very happy that once and for all I ca
>>prove how people like you are wrong when they call me to task for "my insults".
>>How can lack of education justify people to call other people names? Your reply
>>here proves beyond any doubt, that you never uderstood Bob nor me now.
>
>Actually your the one who is not getting it, but we will come to that.
>
>> And the
>>absolute hype is that you still are believing that you are well understanding
>>and "just making a subtle point". What are you doing? Because of your subtle
>>point Bob was writing his messages, but you don't get it. I will show you point
>>by point...
>
>Oh brother...
>
>>
>>>
>>>I know perfectly well Bob's point, that humans have not changed. But my subtle
>>>point was that the average can still change, ie. take a look at the muscles on
>>>the legs of football players 20 years ago and compare them with today.
>>
>>
>>Fine, but that is NOT the point. That's why I tried to explain the IQ tests and
>>also claimed that Alekhine could well be as strong as Kasparov. Chess has had
>>its historic progress, but Alekhine today could still be better than Kasparov.
>
>Aha!
>And this is where you completely DIDN'T get my point.
>I said talent and man hasn't changed, you can read into this, that Alekhine
>_might_ have been as strong as Kasparov, had he lived today. BUT he doesn't live
>today!
>Chess progresses like other sports, the top today is in all likelyhood stronger
>than the top 20 years ago, if you assume man and talent is the same.
>
>>The point of Bob is valid but you don't get it. Bob says and he is right, the
>>average is NOT changing overall. And you are always making your subtle point
>>that it does.
>
>No I am saying it _probably_ does increase, a little due to better tools and
>advances in chess over time.

Again, you don't understand. Chess makes progress, yes. But that is no reason to
believe that the talents of chessplayers change. With Bob I say the average is
the same.


>
>>Well - we see we have a seemingly contradiction. And I am saying
>>that this is only understood by educated people.
>
>Let us break down that sentence so even the moderators can see what you are
>doing here. Allow me to rephrase:
>"Sune, you can't understand this, you are too damn stupid, you do not have an
>education".

Nope. Uneducated doesn't mean stupid. Education related to a specific field is
required. That having said does NOT mean that you must be stupid without! All it
says is that you can't understand the points in the field.



>
>Your version passes the charter (apparently?), mine falls through. This is what
>I mean by war game Rolf, you balance the charter all the time.
>To you it is a game of who can make the worst insults without breaking the
>charter. Well it is a stupid game Rolf, I know you are an expert player but I'm
>not up it today, okay.
>
>I know there are a lot more insults in the text below (I will leave as an easy
>exercise for the reader to find them), but I'm not going to read them because I
>honestly find these dicussions extremely tiresome and pointless.


If that would breach the charter if I said that certain education is required to
understand stats, then the charter would be nonsense. But this isn't the case.
The charter forbids personal attacks. But with the statements I made I gave you
the necessary info what you could do to better understand. This thread here,
Sune, speaks for itself. From its beginning where I was NOT participating.

Rolf Tueschen


>
>-S.



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