Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 07:54:45 02/20/03
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On February 20, 2003 at 10:31:57, Sune Fischer wrote: >On February 20, 2003 at 09:27:24, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>>You spew out insults upon insults (please tell me that you are aware of that), >>>and that sets the tone in the conversation. >>>How do you expect me to be polite and adress the real interesting topic when you >>>continuesly insult me, I see nothing but declarations of war in your posts, and >>>I'm not in the mood for your little war games. >>> >>>A conversation between two adult intellectuals is done by trying arguments and >>>_listening_ to the responses. >> >> >>Wrong. Intellectuals first should have the minimum of education. Listening makes >>no sense if you lack of education. > >How do you get educated if you don't listen? Easy one. As I said. I am educated in stats. Your serve. > >>I'm very happy that once and for all I ca >>prove how people like you are wrong when they call me to task for "my insults". >>How can lack of education justify people to call other people names? Your reply >>here proves beyond any doubt, that you never uderstood Bob nor me now. > >Actually your the one who is not getting it, but we will come to that. > >> And the >>absolute hype is that you still are believing that you are well understanding >>and "just making a subtle point". What are you doing? Because of your subtle >>point Bob was writing his messages, but you don't get it. I will show you point >>by point... > >Oh brother... > >> >>> >>>I know perfectly well Bob's point, that humans have not changed. But my subtle >>>point was that the average can still change, ie. take a look at the muscles on >>>the legs of football players 20 years ago and compare them with today. >> >> >>Fine, but that is NOT the point. That's why I tried to explain the IQ tests and >>also claimed that Alekhine could well be as strong as Kasparov. Chess has had >>its historic progress, but Alekhine today could still be better than Kasparov. > >Aha! >And this is where you completely DIDN'T get my point. >I said talent and man hasn't changed, you can read into this, that Alekhine >_might_ have been as strong as Kasparov, had he lived today. BUT he doesn't live >today! >Chess progresses like other sports, the top today is in all likelyhood stronger >than the top 20 years ago, if you assume man and talent is the same. > >>The point of Bob is valid but you don't get it. Bob says and he is right, the >>average is NOT changing overall. And you are always making your subtle point >>that it does. > >No I am saying it _probably_ does increase, a little due to better tools and >advances in chess over time. Again, you don't understand. Chess makes progress, yes. But that is no reason to believe that the talents of chessplayers change. With Bob I say the average is the same. > >>Well - we see we have a seemingly contradiction. And I am saying >>that this is only understood by educated people. > >Let us break down that sentence so even the moderators can see what you are >doing here. Allow me to rephrase: >"Sune, you can't understand this, you are too damn stupid, you do not have an >education". Nope. Uneducated doesn't mean stupid. Education related to a specific field is required. That having said does NOT mean that you must be stupid without! All it says is that you can't understand the points in the field. > >Your version passes the charter (apparently?), mine falls through. This is what >I mean by war game Rolf, you balance the charter all the time. >To you it is a game of who can make the worst insults without breaking the >charter. Well it is a stupid game Rolf, I know you are an expert player but I'm >not up it today, okay. > >I know there are a lot more insults in the text below (I will leave as an easy >exercise for the reader to find them), but I'm not going to read them because I >honestly find these dicussions extremely tiresome and pointless. If that would breach the charter if I said that certain education is required to understand stats, then the charter would be nonsense. But this isn't the case. The charter forbids personal attacks. But with the statements I made I gave you the necessary info what you could do to better understand. This thread here, Sune, speaks for itself. From its beginning where I was NOT participating. Rolf Tueschen > >-S.
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