Author: Mark Young
Date: 09:10:23 10/07/98
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On October 07, 1998 at 11:58:09, blass uri wrote: > >On October 07, 1998 at 09:49:33, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On October 07, 1998 at 05:04:15, Jouni Uski wrote: >> >>>On October 07, 1998 at 04:31:48, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>On October 07, 1998 at 04:23:59, odell hall wrote: >>>> >>>>>I am interested in knowing whatever Rebel 10 will top the swedish rating list. >>>>>And if Die Hard Sceptics such as Robert Hyatt will concede that Rebel 10 Is >>>>>indeed Grandmaster Strength? >>>> >>>>The question is not whether Rebel or Hiarcs or Fritz or any of the others is of >>>>GM strength, but of whether they all are. >>>> >>>>bruce >>> >>>And the answer is: YES. >> >> >>If the answer is "YES", please produce some 40/2hr games where the >>programs have beaten (or broken even) with GM players. The last four >>games I personally watched ended up with the GM's ahead 3-1 in points, >>and the last time I checked my Elo performance rating for that, I get >>GM-200 for the rating... which is still in the 2400 range, where I've >>said they are all along... > >The GM's were better than average GM's > >I know that Junior drew with 3 grandmasters before the match against yudasin > >I know that Zungzwang did a good result in a tournament (performance more than >2500 and I think it played against GM's in the tournament) > >I think that we should look at all the games that were played by computers >against GM's last year in tournament time control. > >I am not sure if computers are of GM strength but they are very close >and maybe part of them are GM's > >I am not impressed by the ability of computers >They do too many mistakes that I will not do so the reason that computers are >close to be GM's is not that computers are strong but GM's are weak. > Many things come to mind when I think about GM's....but Weak is not one of them. By the way what is your record playing any of the top 3 or 4 programs at 40/2hr, from the way it sounds it must be pretty good with all the mistakes they do, that you do not do. >Uri > > >> >>Not action chess. Not blitz chess. But real tournament chess. >> >>When I see real evidence this is wrong I'll certainly change my mind. >>But the evidence has to be doing respectably vs GM players, not trashing >>some FM/IM players... There's a difference.. And the games have to be >>40 moves in two hours or similar time controls...
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