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Subject: Re: Twin testposition (outside passers, pawn endgame)

Author: Peter Berger

Date: 08:11:30 03/26/03

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On March 26, 2003 at 11:02:06, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On March 26, 2003 at 06:28:52, Peter Berger wrote:
>
>>These can be tough or very easy depending on engine - some engines seem to know
>>too much here. They are also interesting for humans I think.
>>
>>6k1/p4p2/6p1/1P2p2p/4q2P/4Q1P1/P4P2/6K1 b - - 0 1
>>
>>1..Qxe3! wins for black.
>
>I don't think these are about "knowledge".  They are about "search" since the
>first position
>has blacking giving white an outside passed pawn with the two to one majority on
>the
>queenside.

Maybe. Crafty is one of the engines that has quite a hard time with this
position as is Ruffian (that has even more problems). So I think it is about
knowledge, or maybe about tuning?!

Which one is the rule, which one the exception? Position 1 or 2? For non-master
humans after the queen trade both positions look won for white at first sight I
think.

Crafty was playing the white pieces in this game and lost, I don't have the PGN
though.



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