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Subject: Re: rebel10 bug?

Author: Komputer Korner

Date: 21:34:41 10/19/98

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On October 15, 1998 at 19:56:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On October 15, 1998 at 14:08:24, ed  wrote:
>
>>On October 15, 1998 at 10:12:45, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>No it can't.  Alpha/beta doesn't produce a score for *every* move searched.  It
>>>produces a score for the first (hopefully best) move and then only proves that
>>>the score for every other move is lower, without determining how much lower.
>>
>>Yes, I do understand Alpha/Beta. Many a times, a pgm will have a tough time
>>deciding/alternating between move A or B or C, and, and it is these move A and B
>>and C that I want to see in the written analysis. Also, if the top 3 variations
>>is displayed on the screen, it gotta be also possible to save to a file, won't
>>you say? :)
>>
>
>One point:  repeat after me slowly: "there is no way for alpha/beta to produce
>a best move, a second-best move and a third-best move, without tripling the
>time it takes to complete the search..."
>
>There are approximations.  IE you get the best move at ply=10, but then it is
>replaced later by a better move at ply=10...  you can show both PVs and say
>they are the best two.  Or you can save the ply=9 pvs too, but that is much
>less accurate.
>
>Or you can do it the correct way:  search all moves, save the best as "#1",
>then remove that move from the move list, and search all the moves except that
>one again.  That gets #2.  Repeat as often as you want, knowing that each
>search will take about as long as the previous one, since the best move takes
>90% of the total time...
>
>
>
>>
>>>It takes a second search to get the real score/PV for a second-best move...
>>
>>Hmmm... now that u mention it, it does make sense.

Bob why can't programs present the move list either in a log file or on  screen
in the alpha beta order?  CSTAL does a 1 ply search to get the score evals for
each legal move but unfortunately it doesn't list the moves in the alpha beta
order of the engine search. Why couldn't a program do this?
--
Komputer Korner



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