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Subject: Re: Tournament results

Author: Enrique Irazoqui

Date: 04:02:42 11/07/98

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On November 07, 1998 at 06:05:18, Mark Young wrote:

>On November 07, 1998 at 05:30:46, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>
>>If you reread my comment, you wil notice I said that endings is the "weaker"
>>side of Rebel
>
>I know thats what you said, And I'm saying how many games did it take for you to
>lable Rebel 10 as "weaker" then Hiarcs 7 and Genius 5 in the endgame. I just
>want to know how much data you based this jugdement on. I am not saying your
>wrong.. I don't know. I just want to know how sure your judgement is.

I think Rebel 10 has a better middlegame than Rebel 8/9, which is saying a real
lot, but basically the same endings. Assuming this is true, and I am quite
convinced it is, then I had 2 years to compare Rebel endings with Genius and
Hiarcs. Both stronger. In the match R10-H7b, Hiarcs won 5 games in the endgame,
some of them dead even in the beginning. Look, H7b "knows" a few things in the
endgame that no other commercial programs except Genius know.

>>> it seems  stronger then Fritz 5, but only a
>>>bit stronger.(after 21 games Junior 5 is only +1 over Fritz 5.}
>>
>>I don't think you can estimate strength after one single match.
>
>I'm not sure what you mean here.

I was only referring to your paragraph above. I had the impression that you
estimated Junior's strength after its match against Fritz 5.

> I played and posted many matches with Fritz 5.
>I know how strong this program is. I just don't play all the programs before
>posting the results as you did here. And I see other Junior 5 results on here
>and in other places, So I got a good feel how well Junior 5 plays.

I understand you better now. And yes, Junior 5 is very, very strong. Amir said
that J5 should be about 50 Elo points stronger than J4.6. In my opinion this is
too conservative.

Enrique



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