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Subject: Re: SSDF Rating List Less Chessmaster? Why?

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 08:41:21 10/19/03

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On October 19, 2003 at 10:37:05, James T. Walker wrote:

>On October 19, 2003 at 10:21:41, Michael P. Nance Sr. wrote:
>
>>On October 19, 2003 at 08:43:30, David H. McClain wrote:
>>
>>>Gentlemen,
>>>
>>>I may not be alone with these thoughts but it is incomprehensible that
>>>Chessmater 9000 is continually not included on your list.  It has been available
>>>for more than a year.  You are welcome to have my legal copy of Chessmaster if
>>>that is the problem.  With the SSDF list shown on a ChessBase owned web site one
>>>begins to wonder whether including Chessmaster has not been allowed by Chessbase
>>>because it gives very strong competition to Chessbase products.
>>>
>>>SSDF continues to ignore Chessmaster 9000 as does Chessbase while other truly
>>>independent testers test Chessmaster regularly and without preference. Is the
>>>SSDF list truly independent?  The impressions being formed by many of us
>>>regarding this continual "oversight" are not favorable.  Can anyone on SSDF give
>>>an honest and reasonable explanation or has that not been allowed either?
>>>
>>>The integrity of the SSDF list, in my opinion, continues to degrade as an
>>>independent chess program test organization regardless of the many fine people
>>>that volunteer.  Perhaps the real name of the SSDF list should be SSDF list, an
>>>affiliate of Chessbase, Inc.  You are insulting the intelligence of many that
>>>attend and contribute to this forum by continually omitting the latest
>>>Chessmaster versions from your list.
>>>
>>>DHM
>>\
>>I think You hit on the quent essential Issue. This un-resovled Problem has been
>>gone over,complained about, and agrued about time and time again. It has been
>>put to rest,and keeps resurfacing over and over again. Chessmaster is a Chess
>>Program,the positives and negatives concerning It really aren't imporant. Is an
>>absorption By Chessbase the end result here? Something to think about.>>>>Mike

>Maybe someone from SSDF will answer you.  Meanwhile I will give my guess.
>Chessmaster 9000 does not support auto232.  The only way to play it would be
>manually and that is unrealistic to ask of SSDF operators.  They could play "The
>King" engine in another GUI but without it's own book.  This again is not
>desireable in my opinion.  The King engine uses a different type of end game
>tablebases that only it/Chessmaster GUI can deal with.  I would also like to see
>Chessmaster on the SSDF list but the fault lies with the company that produces
>it not SSDF and I don't believe Chessbase has anything to do with it.
>Just my opinion/guess.
>Jim

All valid points. However, there is still one question to answer: it is known
the SSDF folks in the past have asked Feng-Hsiung Hsu to test Deep Blue JR. Do
you think this program has an auto232 interface?

My best,

Ed



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