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Subject: Re: SSDF Rating List Less Chessmaster? Why?

Author: Chessfun

Date: 09:22:15 10/19/03

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On October 19, 2003 at 11:41:21, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On October 19, 2003 at 10:37:05, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>On October 19, 2003 at 10:21:41, Michael P. Nance Sr. wrote:
>>
>>>On October 19, 2003 at 08:43:30, David H. McClain wrote:
>>>
>>>>Gentlemen,
>>>>
>>>>I may not be alone with these thoughts but it is incomprehensible that
>>>>Chessmater 9000 is continually not included on your list.  It has been available
>>>>for more than a year.  You are welcome to have my legal copy of Chessmaster if
>>>>that is the problem.  With the SSDF list shown on a ChessBase owned web site one
>>>>begins to wonder whether including Chessmaster has not been allowed by Chessbase
>>>>because it gives very strong competition to Chessbase products.
>>>>
>>>>SSDF continues to ignore Chessmaster 9000 as does Chessbase while other truly
>>>>independent testers test Chessmaster regularly and without preference. Is the
>>>>SSDF list truly independent?  The impressions being formed by many of us
>>>>regarding this continual "oversight" are not favorable.  Can anyone on SSDF give
>>>>an honest and reasonable explanation or has that not been allowed either?
>>>>
>>>>The integrity of the SSDF list, in my opinion, continues to degrade as an
>>>>independent chess program test organization regardless of the many fine people
>>>>that volunteer.  Perhaps the real name of the SSDF list should be SSDF list, an
>>>>affiliate of Chessbase, Inc.  You are insulting the intelligence of many that
>>>>attend and contribute to this forum by continually omitting the latest
>>>>Chessmaster versions from your list.
>>>>
>>>>DHM
>>>\
>>>I think You hit on the quent essential Issue. This un-resovled Problem has been
>>>gone over,complained about, and agrued about time and time again. It has been
>>>put to rest,and keeps resurfacing over and over again. Chessmaster is a Chess
>>>Program,the positives and negatives concerning It really aren't imporant. Is an
>>>absorption By Chessbase the end result here? Something to think about.>>>>Mike
>
>>Maybe someone from SSDF will answer you.  Meanwhile I will give my guess.
>>Chessmaster 9000 does not support auto232.  The only way to play it would be
>>manually and that is unrealistic to ask of SSDF operators.  They could play "The
>>King" engine in another GUI but without it's own book.  This again is not
>>desireable in my opinion.  The King engine uses a different type of end game
>>tablebases that only it/Chessmaster GUI can deal with.  I would also like to see
>>Chessmaster on the SSDF list but the fault lies with the company that produces
>>it not SSDF and I don't believe Chessbase has anything to do with it.
>>Just my opinion/guess.
>>Jim
>
>All valid points. However, there is still one question to answer: it is known
>the SSDF folks in the past have asked Feng-Hsiung Hsu to test Deep Blue JR. Do
>you think this program has an auto232 interface?
>
>My best,
>
>Ed

AFAIK no details of the SSDF conversations with Feng-Hsiung Hsu are known so who
is to say that auto 232 wasn't a requirement. Either way a couple of other
comments.

CM 9000 in a CB gui AFAIK will use the standard form of Tablebases as they are
driven by the interface. Not sure about probing when more pieces are on the
board.

Is it not a requirement that the manufacturer UBI Soft submit their program for
testing. IOW can the SSDF test and publish results for a program without the
manufacturers consent?.

The manufacturer were they to want the SSDF to test Chessmaster could in theory
convert the standard CM book to ctg format.

I don't think it's as simple as the SSDF have no interest in testing CM9000 and
the reason being no auto 232 support.

Sarah.






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