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Subject: Re: Crafty-List question

Author: Chessfun

Date: 16:56:18 11/27/03

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On November 27, 2003 at 19:45:54, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On November 27, 2003 at 18:15:34, Amir Ban wrote:
>
>>
>>Here is the List-Brutus game from 7th round.
>>
>>Can anyone get any crafty version with any setting to play List's 13. Be2 or 19.
>>Qd4 ?
>>
>
>I'm not goint to get involved in this, since the ICGA has not asked me for
>any advice, analysis, or anything else.
>
>However, whether a program plays move X and Y has _nothing_ to do with
>whether that program is a clone or not.  I can make a couple of very simple
>changes to Crafty and make it play _significantly_ different.
>
>This is the _wrong_ way to investigate this.  The simplest way to prove or
>disprove this claim is for someone to obtain a copy of the source of List,
>then verify that it plays the moves actually played in the game (to verify
>that the source provided most likely is the source that played the actual
>games) then that source can be looked at carefully.  If it is a copy of
>Crafty, this should be pretty easy to verify.  I have done this in the
>past, myself, even without the source.  IE voyager and le petite come to
>mind.
>
>I think that just saying "list plays the same moves as Crafty" or vice-versa
>really doesn't prove that one is a clone of (or derived from) the other.  It
>is something that might raise the level of "interest", but it is not the
>"smoking gun" that is needed to really make such a strong accusation.

I agree with all that.

As List 5.04 was available by Chessbase didn't they see the source code in order
to create a Chessbase version?.

Sarah.




>I assume the ICGA has something more to go on, that we are not aware of.
>
>
>
>>Amir
>>
>>
>>[Event "WCCC 11th"]
>>[Site "Graz"]
>>[Date "2003.11.26"]
>>[Round "7"]
>>[White "List"]
>>[Black "Brutus"]
>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>[ECO "A00"]
>>[PlyCount "134"]
>>[EventDate "2003.??.??"]
>>
>>1. Nc3 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nd7 4. d4 Ngf6 5. Ng3 h5 6. Bd3 c5 7. Nf3 h4 8.
>>Ne2 h3 9. gxh3 a6 10. Ng5 cxd4 11. Nxd4 Nc5 12. Bc4 e6 13. Be2 Nfe4 14. Nxe4
>>Nxe4 15. Qd3 f5 16. Nb3 Qf6 17. c3 Bd7 18. Be3 Bb5 19. Qd4 Bxe2 20. Qxf6 Nxf6
>>21. Kxe2 Rxh3 22. Nd4 Kf7 23. Nf3 Kg8 24. Ng5 Rh6 25. Nf3 Rh5 26. Bd4 Nd5 27.
>>Be5 a5 28. Rhg1 Rh7 29. Rad1 Rc8 30. Rd4 Nb6 31. Bd6 Bxd6 32. Rxd6 Na4 33. Rd2
>>b5 34. h4 Nb6 35. Kf1 b4 36. cxb4 axb4 37. Rd4 b3 38. axb3 Rh6 39. Kg2 Kf7 40.
>>Ra1 Nd5 41. Rc4 Rb8 42. Ne5+ Kg8 43. Ra7 Rxb3 44. Nf7 Rg6+ 45. Ng5 Rb8 46. Kf1
>>Rf6 47. Rd4 Rg6 48. b3 Rh6 49. Kg2 Rg6 50. f3 Nf6 51. Re7 Nd5 52. Rxe6 Rxe6 53.
>>Nxe6 Rb5 54. Kf2 Kf7 55. Nf4 Nxf4 56. Rxf4 Rxb3 57. Rxf5+ Kg6 58. Rg5+ Kf6 59.
>>Rc5 Kg6 60. Rc6+ Kh5 61. Kg3 Rb1 62. Rc5+ Kg6 63. Re5 Kf6 64. Ra5 Kg6 65. Kg2
>>Rb2+ 66. Kh3 Rb1 67. Rg5+ Kf6 1/2-1/2



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