Author: Peter Berger
Date: 16:50:21 01/23/04
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On January 23, 2004 at 18:39:23, enrico carrisco wrote: >On January 23, 2004 at 18:12:11, Peter Berger wrote: > >>On January 23, 2004 at 16:59:27, enrico carrisco wrote: >> >>> >>>Really a moot point in my opinion. With the Chessbase function to export to >>>PGNs, I have a good idea where many engine books originate, even if not used >>>with the CB GUI. >>> >> >>I guess you have *any* evidence for this claim ? It can't be the Hiarcs book >>that is used for this I reckon ( slight pun intended ;) ) . >> >>I think I have a good idea from what some amateur engine books originate, and >>it's usually effort or more or less clever solutions by their programmers. Games >>from cct-1 to cct-5 are availlable to the public - could you please be so kind >>to point out even one entry that might support your suggestion? >> >>Peter > >No, you're right.. On second thought, I doubt it ever takes place. Even though >many amateurs ask to use the CB GUI in events for the books, I'm sure the ones >who don't ask just write their books from ground zero. > >Nevertheless, it doesn't bother me a bit -- pure book wins are not excessively >glorious. We could play the tournament with no books for all I care. > >-elc. Are you serious? Are you using irony ? I can't know. I assume for now that you think the hinted behaviour of (some?most?all?) amateurs, namely to cheat by robbing professional books, does take place. I asked you a serious question - the games of all ccts are open for everybody to cross-check - show me one entry in these tournaments that did this. I have replayed all games and think it never happened. You are free to disagree, but then please provide some data. Why do I care ? That's probably obvious to you - Hiarcs participated in cct-3 and cct-4 - in both tournaments it lost to Gerrit Reubold's program "Der Bringer" , that I operated. He is a friend of mine. Hiarcs lost both of these games. In cct-3 this mattered to some extent, as it was the only game Hiarcs lost during the tourn - in cct-4 it wasn't doing too great anyway, so I assume Bringer is one likely candidate of your accuse. When it is about cct-3 - simply _all_ aspects : tournament repertoire, basic book + engine are offered for free download for everybody at www.reubold.onlinehome.de . The Bringer repertoire was simplistic to the extreme, as everyone can easily see and reproduce - I doubt it was much more than 20 changes to the default PGN book. The engine simply did better in this special case. There surely was nothing special about the repertoire :). I am not sure which book was used in cct-4 , where Bringer finished 7th and Hiarcs 18th - probably the Berlin book used in Thorsten's tournament . Again, nothing special or mysterious about it - if you are interested, I will send it to you anytime - it's a bit more complicated, but frankly - it really isn't that great anyway, and most probably no improvement at all, just very detailed :). This is about ethics, and ethics mainly. This is a serious topic, when it is about me, even as a humble beta-tester who did very little to further engine development itself . It is also about respect though. Peter
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